@Tutanota I just want non-Google Linux phones to become mainstream. Since android is based on Linux anyway, most apps should work or be easy to port?

I would love to be able to root my phone, but some of us just suck at these things and it's not worth the risk of bricking our devices. I wish we could have off the shelf Linux phones that don't require advanced tech skills to use or set up.

#LinuxPhone

@SilverArrows @Tutanota

Android works on Linux, but android apps are apks in kind of binary code like java - these are executed by dalvikvm. But since Android is open source, it's not necessary
to circumvent that, as for example wine does with windows applications.

But what google does is providing google play services where app vendors rely on to ensure that the system is not tinkered with (rooted - everyone is skeptic when you own your system). banking apps do so.

@circus_maximus

Yes, banking apps can be tricky, mine won't even let me log in unless I switch out my keyboard to a big name one.

That's why noob-friendly Linux phones being mainstream would be much better.

I'd love to ditch windows and android, but Linux is not noob-friendly, no, not even Mint. When you have to learn how to compile code just to install a driver for a WiFi adapter, then you're locking out the average joe. Windows and android suck, but they work out of the box, and I feel like Linux still has a degree of gatekeeping going on.

@SilverArrows #Linux depends on hardware, when you have to compile by yourself you may have the wrong hardware. But from my point of view I also think that hardware support stagnates: camera on newer #surface_pro devices do also suck like what you described.

Having hardware vendors providing proper drivers should be the key to both platforms, mobile and computers.

Hopefully that's the #grapheneos deal with #Motorola, also provide a hardware basis usable for #postmarketos