bearboiblakeYSK: Israel is ethnically cleansing Lebanon, and the mainstream media aren't covering it
TheFeatureCreatureWe’re going to have a world war against the USA and Israel. It might not be today, tomorrow or even in a few years… but I feel like it’s inevitable. They are rogue terrorist states and are responsible some of the most heinous war crimes in recorded history. They need to be stopped.
Avid AmoebaI don’t think so. They can’t manufacture their weapons if the rest of the world stops exporting parts and material inputs to them. They are very far from self-reliant.
MulligrubsThat goes both ways, the US is the world’s arms dealer for a reason; not just to “make money”, but to insure that your military is dependent on the USA.
taygaloocatMaybe I’m ignorant but if every English speaking nation stood together and told the US that they were being evil and doing wrong, and that they’d no longer join in with their invasions, the US would probably stand down.
Too bad they’re all pussies (Australia included)
No us is out of control under trump, no reason nor logic will influence the US unfortunately
KelvarCherry [They/Them]This might have been the case under sane leaders like George W. Bush, Mike Pence, and the last Democrats, but I think this outcome is improbable as 1) that didn’t happen when George W. Bush waged war over lies in the Middle East; 2) This administration is composed of hyped-up christo-fascists and their sycophants, and is goaded by oligarchs who want the destruction of the USA so they can buy up what remains.
It’s fucking wild that W is a beacon of sanity now. You aint wrong but its still fucking wild
I can just hope that the orange despot is the bottom and if we go even lower we’ll be back to the Stone Age level civilization if we’re lucky.
LucidlethargyI don’t know what people are talking about here, but Trump is an evil asshole and this will never work.
ExtremeUnicornJust like tge rogue terrorist state Russia needs to be stopped in their attempted annexations and political psyops.
Or China needs to be stopped in their aggressions against Taiwan and ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs and other “undesirable” people.
I feel like there is no winning scenario left in this.
Who are “we” anyway?
You can’t compare China, who hasn’t waged a single war in 50 years, to a genocidal entity like “Israel” that is being constantly aided by the US empire and defended by the western propaganda machine.
And regarding Xinjiang, you may need to look at the facts before throwing terms like “ethnic cleansing.”
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The zionist instance lmao. Be careful mate the polizei might come to your house if you don’t support the genocide enough, you dirty antisemite
Oof you drank the db0 kool-aid. My condolences.
Btw. Israel is comitting a genocide in Gaza. Now by your logic, surely my comment must be deleted, right? But if you are honest, you don’t give a shit about people in Gaza.
Triple reply? Someone’s triggered…
Go back to 4chan
China is now arguably the fifth largest supplier of arms supplying weapons and ammo to conflict regions. China is well known for its forced cultural assimilation and they have never stopped. Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.
I see you cherry picked the years because between the cultural revolution and the subsequent famine China lost well over 50.millions citizens.
We know the facts, the labor camps, the dramatic drop in birth rates, the altering of mosques to look more Chinese. Forced cultural assimilation is a genocidal act when the US did it to the Native Americans. China is no different.
Why did the Chinese lose so many citizens fighting fascist just to adopt capitalism and produce more billionaires than the US this and last year while be and obvious oligarchy. Why did all these innocents need to die just for China to become fascist themselves?
If the US disappeared tomorrow Chiva would happily fill its spot as a the number one human rights abusers with their garbage partners Russia and North Korea.
Why did the Chinese lose so many citizens fighting fascist just to adopt capitalism and produce more billionaires than the US this and last year while also being an obvious oligarchy. Why did all these innocents need to die just for China to become fascist themselves?
Capitalism and socialism are not some clear cut systems or categories that can be merely “adopted”. They are modes of production that are dictated by the material and social relations of production in a given space at a given time. For instance, the transition from feudalism to capitalism did not happen neither swiftly, nor neatly nor universally; rather, capitalist bubbles existed at the epitome of monarchical rule and did not expand until the favourable material circumstances emerged — abrupt demographic changes in the 14th century, colonialist ventures by private companies in American continent, and so forth. And even after capitalism became the dominant mode of production, feudalist relations still existed at the peripheries.
A similar perspective should be adopted in China. The existence of markets is not a core aspsct of capitalism; and regarding billionaires, the PRC prosecutes even more of them, in addition to the tens of thousands of millionaires who emigrate every year.
This is exactly what socialism looks like, a transitional stage that will bring forth a post-capitalist society once the international contradictions (Chinese millionaires) aas well as external (US imperialist encroachment) are extinguished. Some policies may succeed, while others may fail and become lessons for future policymaking. But to call this anything close to fascism is treason to the working classes of the Global South.
Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.
Just ask yourself a simple yet important question: what does the PRC stand ro benefit from indiscriminately prosecuting its own citizens and making them suffer aimlessly?
You can travel right now to Xinjiang and visit all of its towns and cities freely with total access and ease (as many tourists do yearly), and you would see people openly speaking Uyghur, rituals and local events practiced publicly, and mosques operating normally. If you’re adamant on believing what some white journalist from NYT or WSJ has to say instead of the locals and residents as well as tourists and independent, on-ground reporters, then this conversation should stop right here.
You don’t get more billionaires by practicing socialism. You would have to be truly naive to believe China is practicing socialism. Also, their greatest accomplishment of raising so many people out of poverty was because of capitalism not socialism.
Why does China engage in forced cultural assimilation? Because it always has throughout history. They even have a name for it, sinicization.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization
China has always and will always be imperialist which is why when campists call out the US for Imperialism it is so unbelievable hollow.
You can also travel to reservations in the US to see Native Americans dancing and singing. Clearly this proves the US has done nothing wrong. To be frank, your position is not supported by facts and it is naive to say the least.
This US also prosecutes their wealthy like Martin Shkreli. Does this suddenly absolve their capitalism. I know you are not joking, but it is hard to take you seriously when you hand wave the fact that China has now created more billionaires than the US for the second year in a row.
I judge a nations level of fascism by not only their wealthy inequality but a growing wealth gap. A truly socialist country would not have this issue. China continues to increase its wealth gap dramatically.
…stanford.edu/…/rise-wealth-private-property-and-…
If you are trying to convince you are a campist you have done an excellent job.
Again, you’re ignoring the fact that socialism is not a defined set of policies that gets to be uniformly applied in a vaccum. The trajectory even has historically varied from one socialist state to another. To attribute the accomplishments of the PRC to “capitalism” is inaccurate. What there is in China is a market economy that is predominated by public ownership and state-owned enterprises, which is nowhere close to capitalism.
You condemn the consequences of the early Maoist policies, and then equally condemn Dengist reforms. What’s the point of critiquing for the sake of critiquing, whem there is no constructive effort on your part to properly assess and understand the material and historical circumstances that have led to China’s development into what it is now, only being guided by emotions and a confident lack of theory. One recent book on the matter that I recommend is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics by Roland Boer.
China has always and will always be imperialist
This is ahistorical and untheoretical thinking on your part. Imperialism is an advanced form of capitalism. An imperialist state is one that has saturated its domestic markets and as a consequence seeks to expand its markets and the reproduction of private capital overseas, by all means possible and most notably by force. China simply does not possess the features of imperialism. Prolewiki has a very informative article that explains the concept.
Until now, you’ve only indiscriminately sprinkled terms like imperialism and capitalism and fascism without much thought in the process, and so we’ve reached an impasse.
As to the Xinjiang matter, your views reflect those of the western propaganda machine. I’ve already mentioned above a FAQ compiled by Dessalines (yes, Lemmy’s lead dev) which contains many articles and documents that may at the very least give a different perspective on this matter.
Seeing as you have be unable to effectively refute anything I have said I think we are done here. Cheers!
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Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.
Opening in the sense that there’s been over a decade of accusations and still no actual evidence of even a single death, or indeed any physical evidence at all, with the excuse that it’s all going on in secret. So, the opposite of open.
Israel couldn’t hide genocide in Gaza despite having it completely locked down and the tacit support of the media, but apparently China is doing it on an even bigger scale in a place people can freely travel to.
You keep saying that there is no evidence does not make it true. Birth rates plummeted by as much as 60% with China providing IUDs and sterilization.
theguardian.com/…/chinese-uyghur-policy-causes-un…
I am absolutely not saying that what China has done is anything close to Israel and the wholesale slaughter of the Palestinians. Instead it is very similar to the genocide the US did with Puerto Rico.
I said no physical evidence. Not half decade old number fudging from right wing military industrial think tanks like the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
I am sure if you ignore numerous reports, video and photographic evidence, countless interviews, and China’s own admissions that there is no evidence.
At this point I am just going to chalk it up to willful ignorance and our campism as I am very familiar with you denialism and propaganda.
I am sure if you ignore numerous reports, video and photographic evidence, countless interviews, and China’s own admissions then there is no evidence.
Please present this “video and photographic evidence of genocide” and “China admitting it’s committing genocide” or I’m just going to retain my conclusion that you are lying
Smoking gun with orders to eradicated Islam, no surprise as the current genocidal government has always attempted to suppress religion to maintain control. You defense of this oligarchies decision to eliminate a people is noted.
www.hrw.org/legacy/campaigns/…/religion.htm
China is known for its tight control of religion especially it actions of erasing worship like Tibert. You defense of this persecution is noted.
Deception, lies, cultural indoctrination, internment under the guise of eduction, it is all there. Exactly what the US and Canada did to the Natives by kidnapping them. You defense of genocide is noted.
Erasure of culture, common tactics of those who are committing genocide. Just another visual admission of the erasure of a people because of a rulers whim. You defense of cultural erasure is noted.
Chinese official admit the goals and it is to prevent extremism. In order to do this they committ to a genocide. This is pure imperialism arguing that they are being educated while they are beaten, raped, and electrocuted. You defense of human abuses is noted.
You simply cannot control people when you create these unequal power imbalances. Even the best intentions, which these are clearly not, will be perverted by human nature. You inability to see this is noted.
Concentration camps confirmed, cultural erasure, a complete stop in population growth. Your denial of what the Chinese government admits to is noted.
It is clear you are disingenuous and trolling as you have done this many times to other users before. You are an abusive fuck and it is disgusting.
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Invading Tibet was an act of war.
The concept of an independent Tibet never existed before the Beitish imperialists in India plotted to expand their s phere of influence into China. See for instamce the Lhasa Convention.
Furthermore:
Britain put before the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs a five-point demand, indicating the denial of China’s sovereignty over Tibet. When the Chinese government rejected the British demand, the British blocked all the roads leading from the British Raj in India to Tibet.
In 1913 the British government coerced local Tibetan authorities into declaring independence and proposed that:
“Britain be the weaponry supplier after total independence of Tibet;” “Tibet accept British envoys’ supervision of Tibetan financial and military affairs in return for Britain’s support of Tibetan independence;” “Britain be responsible for resisting the army of the Republic of China when it reaches Tibet;” “Tibet adopt an open policy and allow freedom of movement of the British.”
Why would you attack me by implying I have alterior motives when I simply replied to the top comment? It doesn’t mention an “imperialist machine”, it states that there will be a world war against the US & Israel.
I simply stated that I can see no “good” allied forces against the “bad” axis in this conflict as in WW2 (let’s just say that, for all its own problems, the lines were more clearly defined back then). Everyone’s kinda the baddies now.
Regarding your sources: Wow, someone has certainly been busy. I simply haven’t had the time to read it all, but if you consider a paid journalist on a curated trip to the region and a professionally produced video series with apparent residents as credible sources, I am not convinced. It’s no secret that Bejing has a heavy grip on the media and censors basically all critical outlets. I do not expect any official account of anything bad ever happening there.
Oh wow, yeah if they’re at least undocumented it’s all good.
Just because Trump is basically the worst possible example of a human being there can be, I’m not gonna believe for a second that any other ruling politicians or oligarchs are saints. Just that those others have better control over the media, which Trump wants to achieve as well.
China didn’t bomb any school lately. Sounds like you’re looking for excuses for what your side is doing.
Which makes sense given feddit overt support for zionism
And what apparent side would that be, if I may ask?
1984Doesnt work that way. Evil is not a country. You can attack it and try to destroy it, and if you succeed, another country will take its place.
But yeah, its worth doing anyway since it gives temporary relief. Otherwise the logic would be to not try to stop oppressive countries, and that obviously doesnt work either.
What this place needs is a big spiritual upgrade of humans, so they would stop becoming evil just for money and power.
socsaJust keep this in mind during the next election when you see the US suspects pushing “both sides” and “corporate dem” narratives. Don’t be a sucker.
Don’t be a sucker, vote for our private organization’s billionaire-curated mook!
The Ds won’t save you, it’s not 1938 any more. Biden was a 50-year hack and an embarrassment. Trump is a travesty and an embodiment of what you get when corporations are people and cash is free speech.
You won’t be provided with a Messiah to vote for, I’m afraid, not by the Democrats anyway
I voted Democrat, but I know it’s a joke, like voting for the next American Idol. I dunno how you could possibly take it seriously
It’s happening now, western countries have just mostly decided to fall in line and support them
This is a gross generalization. It’s like aliens looking down on earth and saying “we really have to do something about these humans.”
Like, sure. We, as a species might have earned that… But, is it all humans?
The right shift in power across nations could solve this. It starts with people acknowledging that the real issue is rogue governments. Right now in the United States, our government is rogue.
Random people born in Russia don’t want to kill Ukrainians any more than every American wants to kill random people in the Middle East. Our humanity is important, and where you’re born and live doesn’t dictate your loyalty to empowered dictators.
The movement that needs to happen is one where the people rise up in all nations, and unite. It starts with language. America doesn’t need to be destroyed any more than Russia, but their governments require radical changes.
Is your country doing business with the rogue terrorist states? is your country buying arms from the USA, or using the US Dollar to trade?
If you’re going to stop the USA, you better ramp up arms production yourselves.
The US has armed a lot of the world, and that world is dependent on the USA for specialists, training, parts, ammunition, F-35s, and so on, an endless list.
They did that for a reason, not just to make money, but to make DEPENDENCE. The first taste is free.
This is such a comically delusional and out of touch comment that can only be found in the bowels of Lemmy