supersquirrelMar 19

US weighs sending thousands of troops to region as Iran war rages: Report

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US weighs sending thousands of troops to region as Iran war rages: Report - Sopuli

The centrists of the world are still stuck in “But he won’t do that!” and he will. It is unlikely this war will not escalate to a ground war in Iran, there are no offramps and there is little reason to believe any will appear. This is going to end with a ground invasion, a use of nuclear weapons by the US/Israel or both. This is not hyperbole, people need to wake up.

Show threadmrdown
Mar 19 at 4:23pmWeb
Show threadsupersquirrelMar 19

The problem is that Iran is going to get fucked up bad, I disagree with everything the US and Israel is doing in this war, including having started it on false pretenses, but Iran also seems very overconfident that they aren’t about to get fucked up bad, and that is a dangerous, VERY DANGEROUS misconception.

You can understand the US as a dumb, fascist military empire in rapid decline and still appreciate that you absolutely do not for any reason want to fuck with the US starting a ground operation against you. You will lose.

Which isn’t to say the US can invade and occupy Iran broadly, what I mean is a ground operation done to accomplish some bullshit military goal where US troops are actually on the ground in Iran but the objective isn’t to hold territory necessarily. US troops come in hot on helicopters, jump out kill a bunch of kids and innocent people, take some “objective”, destroy it and then fly out on helicopters. Iran will get their ass kicked in this kind of war because the US is the best in the world at it by far, and it really isn’t even close.

Does that mean these operations will be militarily and politically successful? No, but the idea that the US is too incompetent and unaware to militarily carry out these operations is again a dangerous misconception.

The global community is not considering this possibility, it is either full on Iraq War invasion or just an aerial bombing campaign and neither is anywhere near as likely as somewhere in between and in that between space is a genuine threat from the US military that Iran would be foolish to write off as it appears many Iranians are doing even as the US openly lays the groundwork for a devastating aerial assault.

Fascists on both sides are saying “Ha, well let them try!” and the thing is, you really REALLY don’t want to let the US military try, even if they fail it is going to end up in a lot of tragedy. The US military is not Trump, it fights to win, not because it is cowardly and projecting weakness as a distraction like Trump does. Don’t conflate the two.

Show threadmrdownMar 19

Iran is going to get fucked up bad

We know that even if iran surrender the attacks will not end and iran is going to get slowly genocided.

Iran know very well the risks but know very well that a ground invasion is what would hurt the usa the most and that they havr no choice to fight

Show threadsupersquirrelMar 19

Definitely, the impetus for these attacks was basically that Iran did not have nuclear weapons and the US and Israel didn’t care, and wanted to send the message that Iran has no choice but to arm themselves with nuclear weapons so that they could better play the role of villain to Israel. So yes… the message is clear, the US and Israel will slaughter Iranians whether or not they defend themselves, so the obvious choice (as the message sent by the US and Israel unprovoked attacks was meant to push Iran into choosing) is for Iran to arm themselves with nuclear weapons now.

Iran can and will successfully resist the US if it comes to a ground operation at a strategic level even if Iran loses repeatedly on a tactical level, what I am saying is that in the end it is going to be bad for everybody, nobody should be approaching this with “Well let them try it, they will get fucked up!”. They will… but so will Iran, badly.

Show threadmrdownMar 19
Everybody would have wanted to the war to never start but it is too late whatever we like it or not , the war is going to get more bloody
Show threadsupersquirrelMar 19

Yes which is why posting a meme with “Let them come” vibes really doesn’t send the right message even though I have solidarity with the Iranian people.

No, no do not let them come, loudly denounce it the entire time for being the evil it is. This will end badly, horrifically for Iran. Iran has no idea how terrifying fighting a full on war with the US is, it will be so much worse than just air strikes.

Also if the ground operation fails catastrophically Israel/The US could easily turn to nuclear weapons to take out a “necessary” target.

Show threadmrdownMar 19
What Araghchi means is that Iran is ready to fight the American terrorists if they come. Of course he would rather not see any American on the ground
Show threadHanrahanMar 19

You will lose.

like Afghanistan you mean ?

Show threadsupersquirrelMar 19

Again, that was a security operation, not an aerial assault.

The objective here is to just smash things and leave, the US can absolutely do that fine here. Unfortunately for hopeful doubters and Iran, this is the reality.

Show threadmrdownMar 19
security operation lol. Every aggressor use that excuse No, it was another war of aggression by the USA
Show threadsupersquirrelMar 19

I am not applying a political judgement here, I am describing what it physically was. Afghanistan was a security operation, this would be an aerial/land assault.

We stayed in Afghanistan because there was more expectation that you just don’t walk in, blow everything up and then leave without dealing with the consequences. Now even that farce of a facade has eroded, which of course is not a good thing but it also means that people are misunderstanding what a ground operation would be intended to do here.

This wouldn’t be a smash and occupy, it would be a hit and run. It will accomplish nothing politically but empower hardliners in Iran and for that the operation will likely serve the interests of rightwing religious extremists on both sides.

Show threadmrdownMar 19

You are applying a political judgment. It was physically a war of aggression and the consequences was not a mistake it was as planned.

This wouldn’t be a smash and occupy, it would be a hit and run. It will accomplish nothing politically but empower hardliners in Iran and for that the operation will likely serve the interests of rightwing religious extremists on both sides.

You think it make a difference for Iranians if they was murdered by an on ground force vs airstrikes . Anything but stopping the war is going to empower hardliners . Like I already say I do not want it to happen but it will because American are idiots .