So, I have actually read the text of California law CA AB1043 and, honestly, I don't hate it. It requires operating systems to let you enter a date when you create a user account and requires a way for software to get a coarse-grained approximation of this that says either 'over 18' or one of three age ranges of under-18s. Importantly, it doesn't require:

  • Remote attestation.
  • Tamper-proof storage of the age.
  • Any validation in the age.

In short, it's a tool for parents: it allows you to set the age of a child's account so that apps (including web browsers, which can then expose via JavaScript or whatever) can ask questions about what features they should expose.

In a UNIX-like system, this is easy to do, with a tiny amount of new userspace things:

  • Define four groups for the four age ranges (ideally, standardise their names!).
  • Add a /etc/user_birthdays file (or whatever name it is) that stores pairs of username (or uid) and birthdays.
  • Add a daily cron job that checks the above file and updates group membership.
  • Modify user-add scripts / GUIs to create an entry in the above file.
  • Add a tool to create an entry in the above file for existing user accounts.

This doesn't require any kernel changes. Any process can query the set of groups that the user is in already.

If a parent wants to give their child root, they can update the file and bypass the check. And that's fine, that's a parent's choice. And that's what I want.

I like this approach far more than things that require users to provide scans of passports and other toxically personal information to be able to use services. If we had this feature, then the Online Safety Act could simply require that web browsers provide a JavaScript API to query the age bracket and didn't work unless it returned 'over 18'.

@david_chisnall And then another state or country passes a law that requires four age ranges, or another one that requires two, but they do not map nicely to the three CA requires.

You have now replicated another timezone mess.

@lerxst @david_chisnall Yeah, like 18 is not even standard across the globe.
@Arcaik @lerxst @david_chisnall true. But the important is the country of child and whether he or she is considered adult in his own country by his own device. Until they are adults, it should require parent's consent.

@pemensik nope. Parents are welcome to manage their children. “It should require” remains a specious claim.

@Arcaik @lerxst @david_chisnall

@cascheranno @pemensik @Arcaik @lerxst

I don't have a problem with laws that say 'organisations interacting with children without parents present must provide tools that allow parental control'. There are lots of laws like this outside of the Internet context.

I do have a problem with laws that say 'you must give up privacy because OMG think of the children!'.

@david_chisnall @cascheranno @Arcaik @lerxst why do you think you must give up privacy, if the OS has to be able to report age *group* for underage minors? If the bill is implemented well, it allows protecting privacy, but reporting some actions should not be allowed to this child. I think that is good idea.