ValnaoMar 18

YSK that Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, scientists, government officials. Everyone was terrified.

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YSK that Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, scientists, government officials. Everyone was terrified. - sh.itjust.works

Matvei Bronstein: Theorical physicist. Pioneer of quantum gravity. Arrested, accused of fictional “terroristic” activity and shot in 1938 Lev Shubnikov: Experimental physicist. Accused on false charges. Executed Adrian Piotrovsky: Russian dramaturge. Accused on false charges of treason. Executed. Nikolai Bukharin: Leader of the Communist revolution. Member of the Politburo. Falsely accused of treason. Executed. General Alexander Egorov: Marshal of the Soviet Union. Commander of the Red Army Southern Front. Member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Arrested, accused on false charges, executed. General Mikhail Tukhachevsky Supreme Marshal of the Soviet Union. Nicknamed the Red Napoleon. Arrested, accused on fake charges. Executed. Grigory Zinoviev: Chairman of the Communist International Movement. Member of the Soviet Politburo. Accused of treason and executed. Even the secret police themselves were not safe: Genrikh Yagoda : Right-hand of Joseph Stalin. Head of the NKD Secret Police. He spied on everyone in Russia and jailed thousands of innocents. Yagoda was arrested and executed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda] Nikolai Yezhov : Appointed head of the NKD Secret Police after the death of Yagoda. Arrested on fake charges, executed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov] Everybody was absolutely terrified during this period. At least 600 000 people were killed and over one million people were deported to Gulags in Siberia.

Show threadlemonhat75Mar 18
That’s why I’m a capitalist, who famously have never killed anyone for being a communist
Show threadjafraMar 18
Your downvotes hint to this actually being juust some more imperialistic propaganda
Show threadegretsMar 18

The downvotes hint at a general awareness by users that whataboutism is a playground debate technique on par with, “I know you are, but what am I?”.

If a point is valid in a vacuum but has no bearing on the topic, it absolutely should get a negative reaction.

Show threadgandalf_der_12te

no actually i disagree with that.

imagine you develop a new medication (let’s call it Medius just to give it a latin-sounding name) and you give it out to 100 patients suffering from a certain disease. Shortly after, 30 of these people die.

Now certainly critics can say your medicine is dogshit because it killed 30 people. You might respond “well normally around 80% of people suffering of that disease die” but that would be whataboutism … just because they die without your medicine doesn’t justify that some people die when you give them your medicine.

You see?

Mar 18 at 11:18pmWeb
Show threadHonytawkMar 19

No we don’t see, because that isn’t whataboutism.

Whataboutism would be saying that even though your medicine killed 30 people, your competitors medicine killed 50 people so yours isn’t that bad.

Show threadladMar 19
And the medicine is for common cold
Show threadgandalf_der_12teMar 19

it depends on what your baseline is, in other words what do you consider the case of “no treatment at all”

like you argue that some political system killed so and so many people so the system is bad; compared to the baseline of no political system at all.

the question is whether that’s a meaningful baseline. like, what does “no political system” actually mean? is there even such a thing as “no political system”? some would argue that everything is political, therefore there cannot be a society without politics.

and then there is the question, if you say that there definitely is a hypothetical society without a political system, why have we never seen one? where is the real-world example?