Isn't that just the study of privacy nowadays?
It seems there is always some new way to be tracked and they are getting harder and harder to avoid. Sometimes there is NOTHING you can do about it.
Privacy is a scary study, if you let it get to you
I mostly see "attacks" on what they perceive as competitors with wild conspiracy theories and outright misinformation.
@troed @Kow @GrapheneOS No, absolutely not. GrapheneOS is already fighting against Google API Integrity, which is already illegal and abusive. Google can do some good things, but the Play Integrity API is a bad thing.
Google has a lot of resources to defend its monopoly, and now a cartel in the EU wants to do the same thing to impose its deceptive standards and manipulate the market. It is supported by companies that are untrustworthy and very hostile to GrapheneOS, such as Murena, Iodé, and Volla.
Doing the same crap as an American company but with the "Europe" label on the front, it's still crap.
The for-profit companies involved in this are not competitors of GrapheneOS, but they feel threatened by it.
https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust-and-cartels_en
"companies that are untrustworthy and very hostile to GrapheneOS, such as Murena, Iodé, and Volla."
Yeah that's the paranoia and conspiracy theory stuff I hinted at.
I only ever see the GrapheneOS account here being hostile towards mostly everyone.
Not everyone's out "to get you".
@troed @Kow @GrapheneOS Unified Attestation is an illegal cartel, and GrapheneOS don't hesitate to expose it. Creating an alternative that mimics an illegal project like Google Play Integrity API that harms competition, under the guise of being open-source, is no better, it’s still a bad approach.
We don’t want a centralized authority dictating what we should use.
And it’s easy to see that an illegal cartel of this kind can only be formed by untrustworthy companies that doesn't care about user security and privacy.
What are you saying? There is no theory anymore, it is just conspiracy.
Absolutely nothing of that whole "cartel", "illegal", "competition harming" etc rant is even remotely true. It sounds like something an edgy teenager who's never even been near a real life job would come up with.
@troed @Xtreix @GrapheneOS
Cartel fits definitionally
Illegal.... Depends on by who's terms legality is defined. If it works then it will probably be legal where it is made.
Competition harming is exactly what has been going on and will be going on under new leadership should this go through.
What does a real job have to do with any of this?
Sure, some of the speech is inflammatory, but it is not completely false. Do you see the monopolies that run the tech world right now?
"Sure, some of the speech is inflammatory"
Indeed. And paranoid. Delusional too - believing that everyone's out to get them etc.
In the real world it's not enough so set lofty goals, you have to have reasonable ways to there too. Propose actual solutions along the way, work with others to move the needle in the right direction.
I should know - having worked for years back then to get Sony accepting open source, running the internal AOSP personnel, advocating for the ability to open - and relocking - bootloaders.
We won't get government IDs and banking apps on non-Apple and non-Google mobile phones without solving the needs behind why those apps currently are stuck in those eco systems. Just opening the door to another SDK is an enormous step on the way.
Shitting on everyone else isn't changing anything. It's just immature.
@troed @Kow @GrapheneOS The AOSP hardware attestation is a neutral and functional solution and exist since Android 8.
We don’t need and we don’t want a second system to control what devices and apps users can use. we already have Google Play Integrity API which is causing issues, an illegal cartel, under the pretext behind open-source, doesn’t make it any better, it’s still an illegal cartel, and I’m not going to rehash why it is one.
https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide
How many gov id and banking apps use the AOSP hardware attestation?
That's your answer for what anyone needs.
You're just showing that you have no idea how things work. That's not the same as everyone else being out to get you, banning you, creating "illegal cartels" because they fear (???) etc.
@troed @Kow @GrapheneOS GrapheneOS has convinced several banks (I don't recall the names of the banks in question) to fully authorize GrapheneOS and use the AOSP hardware attestation.
Most banks run on GrapheneOS, even those that have enabled the Play Integrity API.
Creating an illegal cartel to copy what Google does under a different name is not a solution to a problem and should not be encouraged; it creates a second problem and amounts to opportunism. The groups behind this idea are untrustworthy on every level and I'm not at all surprised.
Adios.
For Europeans, there are very good reasons for an attestation solution, that banks will use, that's not under the control of a US company.
That you keep repeating your fantasies regarding things being "illegal" won't make the claims true.
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