RE: https://mastodon.social/@fsfe/116131145887510612
@volla has initiated the industry consortium #UnifiedAttestation for an open-source alternative to Google Play Integrity. That will be a game-changer. All major European OS producers are joining. We have a golden opportunity now to boot out Google.
@vollaficationist @volla Unified Attestation is the direct opposite of keeping Android open. It's an anti-competitive centralized system putting Volla and other companies selling devices working with them in control of which devices and operating systems people are allowed to use. It's the direct opposite of open. There's nothing neutral or fair about companies approving using their products while disallowing others. Unified Attestation needs to be stopped.
@vollaficationist @GrapheneOS as the brand that focuses the most towards user privacy and security, it makes sense for GrapheneOS to not support something like this which is basically Google but European with its own user surveillance stuff (even if they say, they don't we will just have to trust them blindly like we do with Apple products and consistently there have been proofs that /e/ does communicate with Google and OpenAI servers for stuff that Graphene and Calyx could already without connecting to them, so it's false marketing in a way).
While I do think having an alternative to Play Integrity API is good and it's better than nothing but hardware attestation is the best way to do it. And Volla & Murena doing something that gives them total control instead of pushing something focused towards privacy like hardware attestation shows that there have some ulterior motives. And with EU also pushing for surveillance like Chat Control and backdoors, I'm not sure this is a good idea.
@GrapheneOS @vollaficationist @skywalker2k17 Very insightful and productive arguments you're having there.
Shall we schedule a time for the upcoming season finale or...? Oh, but please do not spoil the ending for us spectators--limit the damage, as to say.
Please do remember to RSVP.
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@skywalker2k17 @vollaficationist @GrapheneOS I'm guessing that's some kind of jab at me for...I don't quite know.
Look, I'm all for privacy and all that nice stuff. I like the goal of GrapheneOS. If I wasn't such a poor bastard I'd buy myself a Pixel and use it.
I take life in stride. I meant no offense to either party here. If it came across as such...well, I'm sorry.
Chill. Have a beer and relax. The universe doesn't care for our petty squabbles. 
@Phobos1641 @vollaficationist @GrapheneOS nah man, it wasn't directed at you. I just sent it like cuz it felt ironic cuz Graphene was trying to explain what is wrong with Unified Attestation and the other person just didn't understand anything.
At the start, even I was similar to them and was thinking why does Graphene not join something that's open source and tied to some companies that promote privacy and stuff. Then heard of the squabbles between them both and then looked into, I wasted an entire day over it and I know not everyone can afford that kind of time for this. I was lucky to have an off day close to when I last had a similar argument with someone from the cult. After I read some of independent articles regarding /e/, I kinda understood what they are like but they are just anti big tech in a way but they are moving towards the same thing as big tech and Unified Attestation is lobbying in EU for it and there is always a price for it and when it comes due, the people lose.
@skywalker2k17 @Phobos1641 @GrapheneOS but who is this dude, or many dudes, being kind of omnipresent (look it up) all over social media, 24/7¿ For me, today was my first day. A little shocked.
Whatever, UA is open to anyone. And this fact is why the GOS dude is alleging, empty handed, that is illegal in Canada and EU. According to him/her it's probably globally illegal to contest googlag, right. You're welcome.
@vollaficationist @Phobos1641 @GrapheneOS oh yeah, I get what you are talking about. And idk how they are managing to do it, and I do suspect if they ultimately want Google to be the only player in the field cuz they push for the usage of Play Store over Aurora for the sake of security.
I understand why they are doing what they are doing and it does right by their mission too but I feel like it misses the point of why people degoogle. Either way, like I said it's better for there to be a European alternative than just Google but ideally, there shouldn't be any and using Android's built in hardware attestation is better. But there's no ideal world anyways.
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I don't know how you read that GOS would be pro-Googles monopoly.
@Phobos1641 @vollaficationist @GrapheneOS just to make it clear, it wasn't meant to be offensive to the other person too. As someone who wants more GDPR compliant stuff, the idea seemed golden to me (at the start).
I only said it cuz I felt the irony funny in a weird way. And your win some, lose some doesn't particularly offend either party here (or offends both lol), cuz they both were backing their own point up and ultimately, it was an impasse. Graphene despite their best efforts couldn't convince the other party, the other party despite them trying didn't get what Graphene is trying to say and if they just want something not Google and something that belongs to EU to be in control, they are getting their wish too.
Graphene is saying, ultimately anyone having control is bad. It won't change cuz it's not Google and it's some other for-profit company. When EU's laws move towards surveillance, Unified Attestation will have to comply and their lobbyists will make sure they do.
@skywalker2k17 @vollaficationist @GrapheneOS Any one party being in control over what one can do with their own device is a bad thing--that I very much agree with.
I am not a fan of Google, nor the European Union, specifically for their attempts at creating (what I consider to be, or damn near be) a surveillance state.
I truly hope we see less Google, and less control over what we can do on the Internet. Though I must say, it's quite hard to keep a positive outlook these days I feel like.
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