If the original Mac had used icons in menus from the start, nobody in their right mind would be calling for their removal today.
That's how you know that argument doesn't reflect reality. All major platforms now have icons in menus; you can't wind back the clock on that one, you're just obstinately refusing to follow the system standards and user expectation.
So much ink and many podcast hours have been wasted discussing the wrong parts of the issues with Liquid Glass on the Mac
They are not everywhere. All apps on iOS are designed to avoid menus as much as possible.
You discover any long presses and those by accident and usually dismiss them.
I think the only menu-like object anyone encounters with any frequency is the text options (select, paste, lookup).
Oh. When you want to edit the home screen you are now presented with a menu first because apps can populate it. The order of the menu depends on icon position lol.
I've been an iPhone user since iPhone 3GS I think. I've never once concsiously used any of the long press menus anywhere. Except by pure accident.
Oh. I remember one I actually use regularly. The annoying finicky "copy image" in Safari.
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I could challenge to list all the multitude of popup/context/long press menus you constantly use in the apps you use on a daily basis.
I did find four I use regularly. Two in Safari, one text selection, one screenshot tool.
This returns back to the question of why these short one-off random menus are now assumed to be *the* model for MacOS menus?
We went from "you're not using iOS enough" to "oh, you're not using latest iOS with all the great and amazing design decisions".
Note how you actively avoid the "why are short one-off menus on a device with a tiny touch screen are defined as unquestionable *the* model for MacOS"?
You could show the same menus I showed and other "menus" are everywhere to dispel my scepticism, by the way. Perhaps even the same menus I showed.
@dmitriid @gklka I have no interest in dispelling your skepticism, and you have completely misunderstood what my position is (which has nothing to do with iOS — I was throwing shade, and you inserted yourself). My position is stated in the original post: "If the original Mac had used icons in menus from the start, nobody in their right mind would be calling for their removal today"
I think saying you would, now, is performative. All other platforms have moved in this direction, nobody fought it
I mean.
Your premise is quite literally "whatever's on iOS must be used because it's a popular OS".
This is the premise. Any challenges to it are dismissed out of hand with surprising hostility and ad hominems.
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