There is (or was) a rather long thread somewhere on the fedi explaining why LGBTQ+ folks - and especially trans women - are perceived by white Christian nationalists as such a threat to their desired social order. It had hundreds of boosts.
I'm pretty sure it was written by some sort of academic with relevant credentials, as it ended with at least three posts of references! Other than that, I can only recall they were on a server with a 500 character limit.
Does this ring any bells for anyone?
@ApostateEnglishman It wasn't me, but I Have Thoughts.
"Traditional marriage" and "family values" are IMHO code for "traditional gender roles". L/G couples really *are* a threat to traditional gender roles.
If the neighbourhood children should see (*horrors*!) a man ironing or cooking, or a woman fixing the water heater, then the neighbourhood children might get the idea that maybe traditional gender roles weren't that important.
I'm not as sure about why trans women make cis men go batshit crazy. (I don't really think they care about trans men.) My best theory is that conservative men think that being a man is OBVIOUSLY way better than being a woman, so the idea that a man would *choose* to leave the best gender breaks their brains.
Obviously, they think, being a woman is inferior to being a man, so *they must be doing it for nefarious reasons*. Like they are lying about wanting to be a woman, they just want to be able to leer at naked women in the locker rooms.
That's my best guess, anyway.
My sense is that conservative men are so terrified of discovering (or being discovered) they are gay (especially if they are & not out, even/esp to themselves) that •anything• that piques that attraction risks immolation of the soul, so they attack it viciously & reflexively. Transwomen are so very much the worst possible combination of targets for this attraction. "Sinful" in at least two dimensions. & if the "cis" man is attracted—😱 🤯 = uncontrollable rage/terror
I don't mean to be too reductive here, but on the trans woman front I kind of have a suspicion that many who are cis men and against trans women is that they are afraid of being attracted to someone they think of as male, which makes them feel insecure about their own masculinity, and anything that threatens their masculinity and being the manliest man is something that is dangerous to them, but that's only a suspicion, I don't know if it's actually true.
@sotolf @ducky I would say there's definitely truth in that! It's also why this morbid fear of predatory cishet men pretending to be women so they can access female spaces, is so ridiculous: no group is less likely to go to such lengths!
What's far more likely is that an actual trans woman gets beaten up or otherwise abused in the men's restroom.
It's also why this morbid fear of predatory cishet men pretending to be women so they can access female spaces, is so ridiculous: no group is less likely to go to such lengths!
Yeah, that one I never understood, it's also kind of interresting to see that all the ones I've seen complaining about that are white cis males.
What is a trans woman supposed to do in a men's toilet many will as you say suffer from abuse there, others will be asked to get out since they don't look like a male, because they aren't...
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An anecdote, and a whimsy.
At the concert, the women were tired of the long lines and slow throughput of their bathrooms, and they invaded the lines to the mens restrooms.
The restrooms were busy, unisex, and oddly happy and friendly, due no doubt to the presence of women.
If all bathrooms were unisex, and women were frequently present, I think singling out trans people would be much harder, and abuse much less frequent.
Of course, if frogs had wings...
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