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SadSadSatellite Cross out āof PC gamingā and you got it.
glibgAt least weāll always have the classics. Download, play, and seed emulated games folks.
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wizardbeardWhenās the last time you tried to emulate something? The Wii and PSP can handle up to N64 decently, and that hardware is going on 20 years old.
Depending on your phone you can emulate PS2 and even Switch games.
Just hold on to whatever you have, even phones, and emulator devs will figure out the rest. Accuracy has been king for a long time while weāve had strong hardware availability, but thereās no reason we canāt do per game speed hacks again like old SNES emulators when hardware gets scarce.
my main worry is that these things arenāt built to last.
yeah if they switched everyone to the cloud right now, iād have a decade of computer, maybe a bit more if i can fix itās boards, and then what?
consoles tend to last longer but they donāt do general computing, which is an important thing weād be losing in the process.
Phones degrade through daily use as the charging port wears out or it gets dropped and damaged. Beyond that, software update assume more resources because theyāre tuned to new models that have that. If new models donāt, weāll see that change.
The only part with a real use before date in it is batteries, but you can use them plugged in. Capacitors too, technically, but weāre long past the days of the capacitor plague. Most should hold up for decades, as far as Iām aware.
As far as what we do a decade down the line?
Iād be shocked if business trends donāt shift back to owned hardware which will in turn revitalize the consumer market. Theyāll take the functional parts that donāt pass QC for business use and rebrand them for comsumers. Theyāve been doing that with tons of hardware for ages now. The ram chips donāt hit the right clock speed for the premium product so theyāll bin those ones together into a lower grade cheaper product instead of trashing them entirely.
In a lot of ways this is just another go around of mainframe and terminals vs personal computers again. So we had the mainframe in the cloud vs on-prem setup, and various companies fell on either side based on their needs by now. Cloud is fairly stable, and weāre at the point that most companies are able to evaluate pros and cons in a more clear headed manner. Most are discoverign that it makes sense to keep some things on-prem.
So now we get another go-around due to hardware scarcity because of AI hype. Weāre already seeing news stories talking about the importance of having actual metrics to judge success of āAI-enhancedā š¤® workflows. Companies can stay irrational longer than weād like, but they canāt do it indefinitely.
Enough companies have enough legitimate use cases (and cash to burn) that on-premises hardware isnāt going to just die. Eventually that will trickle back down to consumers.
And if it somehow doesnāt, people will continue to figure out how to keep older stuff running. There has always been specialists doing it, now there will be more due to more demand.
Iām not really seeing where thereās a lack of compute power in citizen hands that canāt be overcome with more resource aware programming techniques, which will also start coming back into vogue if it has to.
Thereās no point (financially or open-source wise) making software no one can run. People will adapt.
Iām not trying to say that it wonāt suck, and that we arenāt likely to see some big changes coming. I just canāt imagine a future in which we all donāt adapt and keep moving forward.
The only way everything goes into unsalvagable shit is if people just wholesale stop trying, and thatās not something Iāve seen people just give up and do as some mass homogenous group in my life.
i like the optimism and really hope you are right, but there has been a very deliberate trend to strip us of ownership, and the powers that be seem very serious about it (think uber instead of car ownership, netflix and game streaming instead of media ownership, renting instead of home ownership) as capitalism concentrates wealth.
and with the ubiquitous internet infrastructure we have now, centralizing computing is easier than ever when all they really care about is that we are able to do our button pressing work.
i really do hope they come up with a way to fix silicon. because stuff like motherboards can already be easily repaired with mostly off the shelf components, but silicon getsā¦ complicated to say the least, and itās at the center of our current bottleneck. or that used server hardware isnāt somehow efused, encrypted or otherwise made nonviable or too hard for consumers to reuse.
there is some hope for some other potentially capable player like china and their shiny new semiconductor industry or russia can step in and offer alternatives to enshitified us tech as they wedge themselves into the global market, but that gets difficult with import controls that would certainly be put in place to stop them from taking hold.
but yeah, the next decade or two will see some muddying of these waters as the war season picks up, cooperation shuts down and resources get scarce as they are redirected to murder.
i will go as far as to say the big changes you allude to are already in the pipeline and IDing everyone on the internet and pushing cloud is just the beginning.
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SanctusSeeing shit get worse and worse every year has thr goblinest mask of all callinā like:
I think the āpatient gamerā model could be the way through donāt buy new shit and encourage your friends to play older games too. Hardware can be not great and the games are cheap.
How long is that going to work though? Todayās slop is not going to unslop in 5 years, and it seems like every big name game publisher is exclusively doing slop now. Especially the optimization issue wonāt go away, and it looks like the times where you could just wait for a generation or two of more powerful hardware are over, too - hardware might be getting more powerful, but the performance per dollar isnāt improving because the performance is only improving incrementally and the prices are getting higher and higher.
iktit seems like every big name game publisher is exclusively doing slop now.
You have to understand the capitalism, it is doing slop because slop is what sells to people
You will need to shift your monies away from big name game publishers to smaller ones that make content that you prefer thereby encouraging them to make more non-slop
But Iāve been saying it for years even before AI, call of duty 29 and fifa 56 etc are all cash cows
There is no incentive to improve if what youāre doing works
Still plenty of indie devs making good games. Really, you could just work through all the good games made up to this point and be fine for the rest of your life.
Otoh, if what you really care about is the social connection you get from playing games and talking about them with other people, you can just take up gardening or community service or pole dancing to get that.
I have enough unplayed games for years. And I havenāt even bought all games that interest me on my wishlist.
So to answer your question: I think it will work long enough till AI either implodes or is big enough that the state forces you to connect your brain implant to it.
Which games are slop nowadays?
Theoretically, we could see the PC gaming market come to resemble that of eastern Europe in the past, where everybody has very minimal or outdated hardware and the indie scene builds games with this in mind.
Thatās pretty dire, but I prefer it over cloud subscriptions becoming the norm for gaming and other compute heavy tasks.
Iām talking about the hardware. ānot buyingā that and getting away with it is quite a bit harder than for software.
Cheaper hardware also exists, raspberry pi can run loads of games. Could even run old flash games on it.
MousePotatoDoesStuffPis (Piās? Pi-s?) are cool, but it seems like overkill in this case.
A second-hand thinkpad should be accessible enough, both cost-wise and difficulty-wise.
Yeah that also works. Still want to make a briefcase pi some day. Power everything by USB and stick a few powerbanks in there so it would run for days. Itās also easier to fix any broken part compared to a laptop. Made with some padding and it should be reasonably impact resistant too.
Oh yeah, that sounds awesome. Kinda like something out of a spy movie or something.
mycodesucksThat only works if you already own the hardware and/or the majority does NOT do that model. The moment most people jump on board, the cost of old hardware will skyrocket too.
Except even if the majority DOES adopt this model:
- that will make repairing old hardware more profitable, so supply will rise to meet demand at least a bit (and is also objectively a good thing)
- a lot of old hardware isnāt compatible with Win11+ and unless Microsoft is visited by the Three Ghosts of Software or the long-anticipated Year Of The Linux Desktop arrives, so thatās one moat you can take advantage of (I assume you, a Lemmy user, are more likely to try Linux than an average person would, or are using it already)
- if the price still goes up, manufacturers will step in to take advantage
- at some point, the new slop business model wonāt have enough customers to sustain itself
Reject modernity.
Trying to get into MUDs - any suggestions? - Lemmy.World
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/60915972 [https://lemmy.ca/post/60915972] > Hey folks, > > just in the last few days Iāve really become very interested (probably one of those ADHD micro-obsessions) with trying to play a MUD or MUSH. Iām a long-time tabletop RPG GM, and Iāve been diving into retro games lately. It feels like it should be right up my alley! > > That said, I havenāt had a great experience with my first little foray. Iāve had some software issues accessing some of them, and others are simply dead. It sounds like Gemstone IV is super popular, but I donāt want to jump into a neutered experience (and I certainly donāt want to pay to play from the outset!). > > Iām hoping to try a few more, but it would be great if anyone has: > (a) specific ones that they think are still great, so that I can feel more sure that itās worth the trouble of getting set up on and used to a specific MUD. > (b) advice about getting started! > > Thanks for any input! =)
August will mark 10 years of playing Rimworld for me.
Obv its not the only thing I play, but I come back to it every 3-4 months after little breaks. Was the same for Mount and Blade till the sequel came out. The sequel was both such an upgrade and such a downgrade it made it hard to keep interest. Itās been probably 2 years since I booted that up. Maybe I should give it another try.
Downgrade? Iām curious what you didnāt like about the sequel. Was it the family/diplomacy/story being too in your face? I think that was my only real gripe, but not a big one because it was interesting and easily removed if I wanted with mods.
That was an aspect, but I think it was how much dumber the AI became. I remember the āconquer everythingā objective being doable in the first base game, but your allies act so poorly in the sequel that its basically in doable.
Oh, aye, I can see that. I personally hated the whole, ālet a noble go and he suddenly respawns with an armyā thing, so I just started executing everyone once I had a good army and the skills to maintain it myself. I didnāt have to worry about allies once everyone hated me.
The sequel was both such an upgrade and such a downgrade
How is the sequel a downgrade? (I donāt know basically anything except playing one of the games for half an hour-ish)
Graphics was in DIRE need of an update on original Mount And Blade. Game came out in ~2010, but the graphics felt like they were early 2000ās.
Sequel did an 8/10 job on bringing those up to the late 2010ās (despite its ~2022 release).
That said, the base game became unwinnable with how impossibly stupid the game AI became. They also tried to build in a āmain storyā which was busted in multiple fronts and virtually impossible if you ever experienced a party wipe (very common occurrence in the early game).
Even with cheats enabled, my best run at the sequelās primary objective (conquer the map), I only ever got ~25% of the way there after over 200 hours of game play.
Stay strong there is hope. TES VI is in the making.
SkullgridHell, Kristi, did you get so bored after being fired that you found the fediverse?
fires up klondike
I Cast FistMicroslop ads intensify
āWe have upgraded your klondike game to be CoPilot Klondike, with more CoPilot enabled features, such as CoPilot and CoPilot 365 for every move!ā
Uses DOSBOX to run Windows 3.1 to play Solitare Vegas Mode
It is the grim dark far future of all gaming. Forget the promise of freedom to upgrade and superior graphical fidelity. There is no peace among the Discord servers, only an eternity of monetization, and micro transactions.
RememberTheApollo_When companies stopped being able to actually make anything new, they then choose to find new ways to extract profit from the customer. Far cheaper than expending money on R&D, retooling, etc. They all decided to become landlords of the worst kind, squatting on their tech and extracting rent while ensuring the rest of us own nothing.
Offline games will stay existing, even if the AAA studios wonāt create those.
But fuck em.
Thereās already more amazing games than you or I could possibly play in a lifetime. If they only make shitty games, Iāll just play old games. Iāve been gaming on a retro handheld and honestly thereās so many amazing games I missed.
Indy devs are also killing it in the multiplayer space with silly and charming co-op experiences. I played a lot of Peak and Motor Town with friends lately and both are just so fun.
I LOVE MOTOR TOWN
I am Impressed with the wheel support. Even on Linux my dfgt worked perfectly and the feedback is better than some dedicated racing games.
When you blamed the SJWs and Anita Sarkeesian.
She did not say that, but I saw things being said like this during gamergate:
Iām bet microtransactions are due to Anita, she probably said something like ādifficult games are sexist, unlocks should be paidā, then developers followed suit.
Others think horny gachaslop with decent-ish gameplay at first invalidates the argument, that microtransactions are bad.
DupaCyckiWhere did it all go wrong?
When we stopped publicly executing politicians and millionaires (there were no billionaires yet at the time).
Elon Musk is on the path to become a trillionaire.