krzychMar 17
dmi đź’˝

considering that gnome just deprecated X11, i have a weird feeling that my life is about to get even harder and more painful, unless I choose to conform to one of the mainstream ideal linux GUIs

wayland will be the thing which finally kills all the small WMs that still remain. I consider that to be a cultural disaster.

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Show threaddmi đź’˝ Mar 16
preemptive “fuck you” to everyone who wants to tell me to move to $DE that has wayland support. missing the point.
Show threadfeuerrotMar 16
@domi move to awesomewm, (afaik) it won't get wayland-support!11
Show thread23n27Mar 16
@domi https://isaacfreund.com/blog/river-window-management/ was making the rounds recently and I'm so glad somebody is finally fixing this
Separating the Wayland Compositor and Window Manager

Show threadJan <3Mar 16
@23n27 @domi he gave a talk about this at FOSDEM and it was super good
Show thread23n27Mar 16
@janvhs @domi I was at FOSDEM and somehow I still only found out about the talk through that post :(
Show threadEloy.Mar 16
@23n27 @janvhs @domi many such cases
Show threadartemistMar 16
@domi i wonder if it would be possible to run wayland applications on something like wayback. would likely require incredible levels of hacks to convince xwayland that the windows are x11
Show threaddmi đź’˝ Mar 16
@artemist i thought that wayback supported wayland windows natively, wasn’t that part of the point?
Show threadvriska, thief of light Mar 16
@domi @artemist no the point is just that it allows running an x11 wm without relying on unmaintained code
Show threadvriska, thief of light Mar 16
@domi @artemist really i think it might be easier to have a separate wayland -> x11 bridge that doesn't care if it's running on plain xorg or wayback?
Show threaddmi đź’˝ Mar 17
@leo @artemist seems like a missed opportunity if anything
Show threadachillMar 17
@domi @leo @artemist well its quite hard to get that, for the current wayback behaviour everything was already in place
Show threadjane400 - 628.4 fanMar 16

@domi @artemist apparently no, i wondered that myself too. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayback/wayback/-/issues/61#note_3091873

It still makes sense to use tho, graphics drivers aren't written to keep x11 in mind and that side of x11 has been bitrotting for quite some time, this way x11 components keep functioning and wont suddenly break with an update in the future. https://www.golem.de/news/wayland-asahi-linux-warnt-vor-nutzung-von-x11-2305-174170.html

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Show threadInanna🇵🇸  Mar 16

@domi it's sad. But we can't pretend to have everything working like in the 90's forever. Sometimes it's necessary to break a egg to make a omelette.

However, you can keep running X11 apps over Wayland, as there is a X11 server that runs over Wayland.... Even window managers.

PD: I say this as a person that likes sometimes to play with old X11 wms

Show threaddmi đź’˝ Mar 17

@FantasmitaAsex

But we can’t pretend to have everything working like in the 90’s forever.

says you and only you lmao

Show threadJ.V.B.Mar 16
@domi on the other hand, new wayland are popping up. I think it's just that not all x11 compositors have devs interested in porting to wayland. But those that still have the devs are moving to wayland though some are very slow at that(such as budgie, xfce, lxqt)
Show threadJ.V.B.Mar 16
@domi but relatively small wayland compositors won't disappear, they're now based on e.g.: wlroots, mir, smithay, libweston, etc or based on compositor toolkits built on top of some of those
Show threadJ.V.B.Mar 16
@domi I could be wrong though ofc, time will tell.
Show threaddarkussMar 16
@domi have you seen this by chance? https://wayland.fyi/
wayland.fyi minimalist wayland special interest group

Show threadachillMar 17
@domi i guess so, but i dont think there is another way forward tbh