But I'm a Nice Guy(TM)!

https://slrpnk.net/post/35389171

sigh why are members of the femoid species like this?

Pretty Guy: Does basically nothing and women fall all over him

Nice Guy: Becomes a phrenologist in response

Always worth remembering that the OG Incel was a woman blogging about how desperate she was to lose her virginity.

Lonely guys always make everything about themselves, even the term incel.
What’s the source on this?
The woman who founded the 'incel' movement

When Alana started a website for lonely people struggling to find love, she had no idea where it would lead.

Always worth remembering that the OG Incel was a woman blogging about how desperate she was to lose her virginity.

That’s very unfair. She set up a forum, and by all accounts it was pretty decent. Mostly just people helping each other out, men and women.

She set up a forum, and by all accounts it was pretty decent.

No doubt. I’m not casting dispersion on her. But men screaming “Why won’t anyone fuck me?!” today, having trampled over a woman with the exact same complaint is deeply ironic.

When you get under the hood of a lot of incel culture (particularly, but not exclusively, male incel culture) the underlying complaint tends isn’t inceldom nearly so much as it is that porn stars won’t fuck them (for free) and people with anime anatomy aren’t real. That’s so far afield of the original desire for romantic companionship that made up the seed of the community. And it is driven, in large part, by the commoditization of romance through the same Big Tech and digital marketing companies that promote porn and other unrealistic expectations of beauty.

If you were were casting dispersion on her, exactly what would it be composed of? 🤨

I know I’m in the shitposting community but here’s story time for anyone who needs it (myself included probably and this may not be be super coherent as I’m still processing and getting over the breakup, or the incident as I like to call it, a year later )

This is also a loose connection of the thoughts so there’s probably a coherent idea in here somewhere

But when I entered college I was trying to make some friends as my highschool buddies moved outta state (we still communicate and game over discord) but there’s this one girl and the only reason we became friends is we shared the first year seminar and an English class.

Fast forward a bit and she asks me out and I take about a half a week to ponder (foreshadowing what I would call a snails pace in our relationship but frankly that an insult to the speed of snails)

And she’s definitely had her fair share of some traumatic relationships which with some other mental stuff she didn’t always want physical contact and sometimes she was… paranoid isn’t the right word, but I absolutely poured my heart into this relationship because after all these years I finally got a gf so I definitely had some rose tinted glasses on some her trauma responses such as calling my affection love dumping (she said it was a manipulation tactic used basically as “I’m sorry I’m sorry I love you so much” and she saw it as that)

Anyways there’s so much more but all in all I’m happy it happened but in retrospect and only in retrospect I’m glad it’s over

But I believe the right one is out there somewhere and it’s a matter of looking and finding someone who matches my weird

been in an abusive relationship, she kept projecting by labeling my acts as abusive. Like when she was gaslighting me and I tried to hold on to reality, she would accuse me of gaslighting until I accepted her version of reality. it was hell, and a literal miracle that I survived that. be careful with relationships. Especially as men, as however little resources and help is for abuse women, we get much less than that.
How dare this mindless automaton behave like a real person!
Pupils large. The cat is preparing to murder them both.
So just regular cat stuff.

“Nice guy”

not even nice to themselves
Looks more like an ice guy

Fuck this incel nonsense.

Am ugly and fat, but I’m a nice person, respect everyone (who deserves respect), and I expect everything I do to be non transactional.

I help people because they need help and I can help.

results? built a friend’s group I adore (I literally admire them and sometimes I am still in disbelief that I’m their friend), and have women hit on me, also have a poly thing going on. And I have never had so much and such good sex.

“Nice” means being a good person, if you are nice to be transactional, then that isn’t nice, that’s a red flag… and a good thing women stay away from you.

yes, women can also be transactional, being an asshole is intersectional. but that is a slightly different tangent.

Also, I loathe that because bullshit like this the bar is so painfully low. It genuinely hurts me when a woman gives me a compliment that only reveals how fucking low the bar is. and it is so fucking low. that if you can’t pass it, then that’s on you.

if you want constructive advice, accept that no relationship is transactional. be proactive in socializing, not like going to bars to pick people up, but join active groups for your interests. D&D, political action groups, Mutual aids… attend regularly and before you know it you’ll have a healthy diverse friend group. assume no one is interested in you as a partner unless there’s a bit of flirting. Even if you don’t find a partner in those groups, those people have their own groups. and if they see you as a good person they will recommend you to their single friends. But this is not a guide to get laid. If you do all of this to get laid, you are a horrible person. and hopefully, they will sense it and not put anyone at risk. you do that because you love to [chosen group activity], and want to make friendships. Also, consent means they can say no whenever they want, even after a couple dates and you have to be mature and be like "that’s ok, I wish you well’ and not like “That B[slur]”.

If you are a basement dwelling incel with severe depression from loneliness and severe loniless from depression, you can crawl out of that depression by doing stuff. Joining mutual aids really did that for me, little by little I built a community for myself, and I’m now happy (was chronically depressed for so long I forgot what positive feelings feel like).

This is it. I always tell young men I come across having trouble in the ladies department, learn to be a friend first, put yourself in the friendzone, and before you know it you’ll have romance and sexual opportunities, from directions you’ll never see coming.
This! I tell young men I come across having trouble the ladies department. Work on the friend part of girlfriend before all else.

Grew up in Europe, live in the US right now. even though it’s the same problem, it’s so much worse here. The fuck is wrong with parents? they socialize girls to be social, but men to be a cavemen stereotype?

Met so many men here that date to get a mother they can fuck. for them dating is just a farce to trick women for sex/caring role. Some consider washing their ass a gay thing. Jules Verne’s Journey to the centre of the earth to find the bar???

And you know what? imma pull a misogyny and blame mothers as well, because men here barely rise their children, it isn’t a 50/50, many fathers are just another older child for the mother to take care of. Even if she works as well. Because yhea, the dad should have been an adult too, but the mothers did raise the girls and boys differently. Do they project the spite for the husband into the boys???

yhea, there are many male adults here who are great people, but part of them being mature is that they also acknowledge that they were brought up to be assholes and they did a lot of internal work to grow. And them existing does not disprove that there is a systemic generational problem.

“freindzone” is a self-inflicted wound. Nobody can make you cower in the corner waiting for your “opportunity”. Nobody made you look at friendship with the opposite sex as something that must be suffered so as to be due a reward.
In my case, self inflicted in a different way. I’ve had several people give ample hints but I kept the status quo until they moved on.

freindzone

Is that like the frenemyzone?

friendzone isn’t a thing. it’s either a friend or not. if it is a friendship that someone are maintaining with hopes of future sex, then it isn’t a real relationship, it’s a lie they are maintaining for their own delusions. manipulative and shitty.
CATS ARE NOT NICE GUYS
If a guy says “you fucking bitch” because the girl is not with him he’s not a nice guy
That’s why they are called “Nice Guy™”
Give it one more thought and you’ll get the joke
Get over it and do drugs with the rest of us.

Great, you’re nice. Congratz on doing the absolute bare minimum.

Any hobbies she’s interested in as well? Or interesting hobbies in general? Any skill you have other than dislocating your shoulder, like changing the breaks on your car? Are you a Sub and want a Dom but she’s a Sub as well? Are you radiating any sexual energy? Heck some women find tax evasion as sexy as a sixpack.

Nice is the bare minimum. I don’t know why people think its more valuable.
“nice” is too vague, and being nice isn’t even close to the bare minimum
It’s also completely useless if self-assessed. Literally everybody thinks they’re nice, it takes a third party to verify that claim.

I never understood this specific example. Why are people so obsessed with someone that’s already spoken for? It shows such a lack of respect for boundaries.

I’ve run into the type of guy that thinks it’s alright to harass someone because they’re in a relationship with someone they’re interested in, and what makes me sad is how so many see nothing wrong with it.

“Nice” guy, that’s a massive incel red flag.

Nah, I know what nice guys are. I just more so meant I didn’t understand these people.

I don’t know about others, but I tend to look at how someone treats others as insight on how they’ll treat me. If someone is openly malicious to other people for such petty reasons then they’ll treat you the same way.

They’re bad with women and they find one that is nice to them or just talks to them or whatever, then they think they finally have a shot and get fixated on her but then find out she has a boyfriend. Since she’s THE ONE the other guy must be an asshole and they should break up.
I’m a nice guy, I treat women well by not getting into their lives, and dragging them down.
maybe you should be more proactive and grab women and drag them up.
grab 'em by the pussy you say?
Not gonna downvote because the pun was there for the taking and for the bravery and obviously because I’m a nice guy (self-assessed)

The greatest suffering in life, that anyone can experience no matter who they are, is unfulfilled expectations. Girl isn’t interested in you, Weather isn’t what you want. Boss didn’t give you a rise etc.

According to Buddhism solution is to stop expecting things of others, of life, of reality. You can only control yourself, expect of yourself if you must.

Perhaps a bit of an exotic philosophy, but I think it applies here nicely.

I expect nothing and am still disappointed. What does Buddha say about that?

this about sums it up

Hey, im not the one self-immolating…
How tf are you achieving this?
Being alive and aware of things for over 40 years.
Accept and surrender to reality. This doesn’t mean to give up; it means to simply understand that reality doesn’t care how upset or disappointed you are with it, that’s your burden alone (plus anyone else you push that burden on to). Don’t worry about what reality should be like, see it for what it is and consider how you can affect it, and you will be less burdened.
Buddha obviously didn’t know about waterboarding
But but I’ve put soooo many nice coins into the female machine! When do I get a sex out?
Wow this is pathetic.
This is shit even for a shitpost
Actual nice guy here. I get lots of chances. I just don’t act on most of them because I’m a fucking pussy.

A self-aware nice guy!

Don’t be so hard on yourself. The negative self talk really doesn’t help. You know this already, but probably don’t know how to stop it.

Some framing that might help: you are human. You’re allowed to make mistakes. Just because you’re not perfect doesn’t mean you are worthless. Your flaws are much smaller than you make them out to be, and flaws themselves are just areas you can improve in if you put your mind to it. You have a good mind, so use it to build yourself up and be the best version of yourself. No one else is watching you, really, apart from the guy looking back at you in the mirror.

Sincerely, a recovered NiceGuy™

Oh I know. My point is the reason I’m single is because I don’t make a move on women who are or could be interested in me. It’s never been women’s fault I’m single.
They could make a move as well if they are interested
Of course, but if they don’t then it’s their fault they are single. Both sides have to communicate.