@Sweetshark

It was the same at 16:00 that say

https://agora.echelon.pl/objects/e7155fad-34e6-494e-9e5e-cf54033e891b

@Sweetshark

Makes perfect sense. And nuclear power was decommissioned to protect… what, climate? 🤔

@kravietz Nuclear was decommissioned because even the plant owners didnt want to do the repairs to keep them running as they were lacking maintenance for decades due to the phase out commited to after Fukushima in 2011 under Merkel.

Which wouldnt be a problem, if two things would not have happened:
* the Altmaier-Knick severely hampering #renewables in 2012
* #Suedlink / #Suedostlink being sabotaged by conservative politicians in Bavaria delaying needed network capacity

@Sweetshark

commited to after Fukushima in 2011 under Merkel

Makes perfect sense, as Germany is well-known seismic area with tons of tsunamis.

the Altmaier-Knick severely hampering renewables in 2012

But Germany never lacked renewables capacity in terms of installed power, did it? Germany has 100 GW solar, 70 GW wind, 6 GW hydro and - let’s pretend it is also low-carbon - 10 GW biomass. Yet, 24/7 electricity supply is still ensured by coal and fossil gas.

delaying needed network capacity

You mean 7000 km of high voltage lines that needed to be upgraded countrywide and using as much land and resources as a highway?

@Sweetshark

But that only means that instead of having 400% of the installed capacity versus average consumption, Germany will have say 500%, but it will still need these coal and gas plants for times such as yesterday, when there’s no sun and little wind?

@kravietz Still makes sense, given how insanely cheap solar has become. And neither the old coal and especially not the old nuclear plants would be able to do the load-following to help.
That is on network capacity and gas peakers only (Same for France when its to hot for its nuclears: it then needs needs both network capacity and German gas peakers to fill the gap).

In the shared Franco-German net with enough capacity, the mix -- except for the coal and esp. lignite -- is actually decent. That might change with France moving to more renewables -- but by that time network capacity will be helped by various energy storage options including long-term #greengas.

@Sweetshark

Still makes sense, given how insanely cheap solar has become

I don’t this makes sense because 10, 100 or 1000 GW of solar produces zero electricity when there’s no sunlight. So at that time you still need a secondary source or storage. But at a sunny day you have the opposite problem with overproduction, which you either solve by capping or… by other prospective solutions worded in future sense, so if they don’t materialise you still do capping and still need that secondary source.

Also, solar is only cheap if you talk about the shiny panels arriving into EU from China, where they are produced using electricity mostly from coal, forced labour, $10/ton CO2 certificates (vs $70/ton in EU) and zero concern about environment protection. And that’s precisely why their manufacturing was all outsourced to China, because if they were done in EU, with all our environmental and labour protection standards, they would be… too expensive.

What a great way to “lead” the global energy transformation by just buying stuff from China 😂

@kravietz @Sweetshark

Please show the calculations to your claims.

@billiglarper

You need a calculation to prove that 1 GW PV times 0 solar irradiation produces 0 Wh of electricity? 🤔

Okay:

E = P * I

Where E is the amount of electricity (Wh), P is nominal power (W) and I is solar irradiation.

@Sweetshark

@kravietz @Sweetshark

You claimed "if they were done in EU, with all our environmental and labour protection standards, they would be… too expensive."

You can't substantiate this claim. Thank you.