geneva_convenienceFlippity floppity
TrackinDaKrakenThey won’t push past the line of “normalcy” which is the same useless line we crossed on the way here. Fucking hell.
KoboldCoterieIf they don’t impeach and prosecute with impunity, the whole effort is wasted. Everyone of relevance to the current administration needs to end up in jail by 2028. That’s what we’re voting for in November.
SinningStromgaldI’d say there is 99% chance they fuck up at every opportunity.
UnderpantsWeevilThey won’t push past the line of “normalcy”
It might not be an issue if the sitting party refuses to release the reins of power.
So much of the current political system works because the parties are joined at the hip. But as Trump leads the federal government into increasingly fascist forms, the leadership demonstrates itself significantly less willing to just go-along get-along with the historic Reagan Era neoliberal order.
Why relinquish your Congressional majority if Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries will let you keep it? Why abide by the legislative branch at all if you’ve got Palantir running the Treasury and Google/Microsoft running the Pentagon?
Even in bright blue states like Minnesota, the response to outright fascist takeover at the highest levels of government is to raise your fist in defiance and then… give up on your reelection campaign for governor.
It’s super messed up but If they don’t pass anything that’d still be an improvement compared to congress now.
I really hope they do more than nothing though.
we are allthey are the ones that peacefully handed over the keys. it’s not turtles but bankrolled politicians all the wayyy ddooowwwwnnnnnnn.
If they win and don’t loudly and publicly start undoing shit then voter turnout will be abysmal in 2028 and they’ll lose everything again.
Just according to Keikaku!
yeah but they’ll make a lot of money fundraising off of it which is their one true goal
This is a screenshot of a betting app. You can easily influence these numbers with large bets. This is just viral marketing masquerading as hopium
It’s not actually a poll or anything real…
Except these markets were usually more accurate then polls. Don’t get me wrong, I hate them and I laughed at people betting that Trump would receive more votes. But the market was right, not the polls.
Except these markets were usually more accurate then polls.
What Good Are Prediction Markets If Nobody Can Agree on What Happened? Polymarket’s epistemic trap
To avoid submitting entirely to the logic of prediction markets (one of the many challenges facing the political media in the coming year, I think), we should be clear that this isn’t really an argument about what happened. Rather, the sheer weirdness of what actually ended up happening — and the haze of uncertainty and mis- and disinformation that surrounded it, including from principal actors — overcame the predictive powers of whoever had written Polymarket’s rules in the first place.
The fundamental problem with any “predictive” system is that once you can generate a financial return on a result, you have a financial incentive to influence the result. Consequently, a betting app that allows you to reap an enormous windfall by betting contrary to the current trend will produce bad-faith actors willing to realize the results in defiance of the democratic system.
Imagine, hypothetically, if everyone participating in the Brooks Brothers Riot had bets outstanding on the way Florida’s EC votes would be awarded. Or, even more sinister, imagine a Supreme Court Justice betting on the results of a SC decision.
Your comment is well written, but completely unrelated. I said the prediction markets are more accurate then polls (I even found a paper for you), and you reply with an article about “How sometimes it’s hard to determine a result of a bet”, which isn’t applyable here, since election results are well defined. You then continue to rant about predictive markets, but nothing about their accuracy. And BTW, I agree with you.
If I’m wrong, could you please clarify, how their accuracy is connected to their morality?
I said the prediction markets are more accurate then polls (I even found a paper for you)
When you have people with a finger on the scale making the bets, of course they will be
TropicalDingdongHas anyone back tested polymarket?
kittenzrulz123Not only will they not pass anything even remotely progressive they will completely fail to prosecute anyone who committed a crime, fail to revert any of the damage, and will beg for forgiveness from the right by offering infinite concessions
More likely than not, they’ll become complicit in much of the Republican criminal enterprise by inertia. Then, their inability to roll back any of the deeply unpopular Republican positions will tank their own popularity. And finally, Republicans will come roaring back into office to be the Enthusiastic Fascist Party rather than the Reluctant Fascist Party.
But hey, DON’T SAY ANY OF THIS TOO LOUDLY. If people hear you casting dispersion on the liberal party, they might become sad. And if they become sad, they might not Vote Blue No Matter Who. And if they don’t Vote Blue, Republicans will win. And then Republican Fascism will be YOUR FAULT!
People on .world hate when you say anything negative about libs or reactionaries, I reccomend joining us over on dbzer0 :3
I mean, I see you guys posting from here. And I’ll admit, after my experience with Hexbear, I’d rather be in the shitlib instance heckling my leftism with impunity than in the leftist instance getting yelled at by the admins for defending DSA or whatever.
I started tagging peoples usernames with different levels of shitlib from like baby shitlib to ultra shitlib and holy fuck do those people comment a lot. it’s basically a wall of green usertags on basically every political post.
I’ll take “fail to pass anything progressive” over “actively try to destroy the country with every bill” any day.
This is why Republicans get free rein to actively destroy the country.
mycodesucksCould just stop letting them win altogether and just support progressive candidates in primaries, but I got sick of explaining this and just left the country. I’ll be back if/when people figure out “let the republicans win” is not “fixing the democrats”.
Could just stop letting them win altogether
I don’t think this is a question of “letting them win”. Ds and Rs are the two wings of Capital. And like any good capitalist enterprise, the underlings must be made to fight it out to exhaustion in order for the master to maintain control.
If Dems ever actually obtained an FDR-style enduring majority, the capital class would have to bifricate the party in order to keep any populist movements held in check one against the other.
I got sick of explaining this and just left the country
Given what’s been going down in damned near every major city in the country with ICE, I can hardly blame you. America’s going to be drowning in blood before too long if shit keeps up the way it has been going. We’re already treating civilians in Minneapolis like they’re Turks or Egyptians. How long until we start treating them like Iraqis or Afghanis… or Iranians or Gazans?
Winning by default and then thinking you must be doing the right thing
UK Labour in a nutshell
SamskaraWoah what a productive and useful take to have. Thank you!
switcherooI look forward to hearing all their “olive branching” and trying to reach across the aisle and proceed to GET NOTHING DONE WHILE STILL MANAGING TO SUCK OFF THE PEDO PROTECTOR PARTY.
We do not want ANY olive branches. They proved who they are. Everything they ask for needs to be shot down immediately (aka vote no), just like they always do. Put them in the corner, shame every one of them that keeps their job.
They pulled the olive branch from the dime, you better not offer up another fucking olive branch Dems. (but we all know you will because you still think unhinged MAGA voters will somehow come around
(but we all know you will because you still think unhinged MAGA voters will somehow come around)
That’s not why. Not really. It’s because leftwing populism is contrary to the desires of the oligarchs (campaign donors / etc) who own them, while rightwing populism is either acceptable or more often actually beneficial.
Republican / Democrat is offense / defense for the same team owners.
Controlled opposition is the term
Controlled opposition is AOC / Bernie / increasingly-looking-like Zohran. Most Dems don’t even pretend to be effective opposition, unless you’re 50+ and think a strongly worded letter counts as opposition.
I think you are misunderstanding the term. You’re referencing actual opposition. Schumer/Jeffries and the majority of the rest of the party are opposition controlled by the oligarchs.
You think constantly reaffirming Israel’s right to exist, voting to continue funding its existence and armament, and using terms like “the Netanyahu government” instead of acknowledging that the existence of the entire rotten ethnostate apartheid colonial project is the issue?
If so, the only one misunderstanding the term “opposition” is you.
There are a lot of Democrats that are not in any way progressive. For domestic issues there will always be a few that the GOP can count on to dissent and break the Democrat majority. For isreal-related there will be dozens beholden to AIPAC who will vote however the Israeli government wants.
This is the secondary danger of Trump terrible: democratic party doesn’t have to actually change or improve to win. They just have to exist.
2 years to find a non-genocidal candidate WHO CAN WIN.
As if ability to win has been a major concern for the last decade of DNC candidates
Whether you want to admit it or not, Biden was actually the best candidate strategically, which was proven right. It says more about the US people that we all want to believe.
Lol, no he wasn’t. A soggy potato could have won that election, but the DNC insisted on choosing a candidate who would do such a bad job on power that Trump might as well have won. To the point that a lot of liberals have forgotten that the Biden administration even happened
Well yeah, you have a theory, and whatever supports it is true because duh, and whatever contradicts it actually supports it because your opponents are all idiots.
It’s a nice way to feel good about yourself, but terrible way to ground yourself in reality.
It’s a nice way to feel good about yourself, but terrible way to ground yourself in reality.
You’re talking about yourself, right?
NO U is an amazing rebuttal. Incredibly effective at stopping you from considering that other people exist and can say something worth thinking about.
As if your comment was any more substantial
I mean, if you ignore the critique of your position, every rebuttal loses its substance automatically.
Yes, correct, that was my point
If it wasn’t for Covid, Biden wouldn’t have stood a chance. Then Biden completely fucked over 2024. He was not the best candidate.
I can do speculations too, if his health wouldn’t suddenly deteriorate, he would crush in 2024, but since he wasn’t an actual final candidate, we couldn’t tell, just as we can’t tell what would outcome of the previous be if not for covid.
In the end his win record was 1/1 which is kind of what you want from a candidate.
In the end his win record was 1/1 which is kind of what you want from a candidate.
Except we can tell. He was the only candidate that polled even worse than Kamala. And you’re delusional if you think his health decline was sudden.
You can always tell looking backwards, yes. The power of hindsight is infinite.
And yes, his health decline was sudden. He went from a normal old fart (an ideal American preferred by most) to an old fart with severe terminal illness in a span of weeks, not even months.
Listen, you can convince yourself to whatever, you can believe in whatever, but if you look at voting patterns, you can count on the fingers of one hand the times when broad American public chose someone who isn’t an old white conservatively leaning man, given the choice. You might not like it, I certainly don’t, but you need to come to terms with what your country is made of, if you want to stop being perpetually surprised why aren’t you achieving anything.
And yes, his health decline was sudden. He went from a normal old fart (an ideal American preferred by most) to an old fart with severe terminal illness in a span of weeks, not even months.
Listen, you can convince yourself to whatever, you can believe in whatever, but if you look at voting patterns, you can count on the fingers of one hand the times when broad American public chose someone who isn’t an old white conservatively leaning man, given the choice. You might not like it, I certainly don’t, but you need to come to terms with what your country is made of, if you want to stop being perpetually surprised why aren’t you achieving anything.
Hindsight? I’m referring to polls that were widely available at the time.
His health decline was not sudden if you were paying attention. His aides were even trying to hide it.
And now you’re trying to move the goalposts. We’re not talking about all candidates, or voting trends, we’re talking about how Biden was an obviously bad candidate. You can avoid the topic and keep your head in the sand, it ultimately doesn’t matter anymore. What does matter is that we learn from that mistake moving forward. Have real primaries where the DNC doesn’t put their thumb on the scale and instead lets three voters choose who they want to vote for. It’s a very simple idea.
Damn. Well at least the pro-genocide DNC candidate won.
They proved who they are.
So did the Democrats. Over and over again. You’re not going to get anything you’re asking for and you’re delusional if you expect otherwise. Their.jib is to calm people down so we can ratchet towards fascism again in a few years.