If a man is saying “sex is for procreation, not pleasure” it's a guarantee he can't provide the second option.
@geekysteven makes me wonder if they miss the joy part entirely
@geonz not for themselves, probably
@geekysteven
the humble joy of sharing is something ... I think it requires learning trust at a young age. If you were imbued with "don't trust anybody! They'll take your stuff!" .... sometimes that can be broken. Sometimes.