Donald Trump Stuns With 'Maybe We Shouldn't Even Be There' Admission About Iran War

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He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”

Then came the line that quickly sparked reaction online:

“You could make the case that maybe we shouldn’t even be there at all because we don’t need it.”

It’s Iran’s terrority, and Iran is defending it after being attacked…

But I really think he’s getting pressure from Christian extremists to abandon Israel. Their endgame was always Israel getting wiped out by its neighbors to start Armageddon and rapture Christians.

If no one joins against Iran, trump will likely try to slink away and Bibi holding the bag.

And he threatened NATO, who by all his accounts “stood back from the front lines” When Article 5 was called during the bullshit second Gulf War. And now he DEMANDS they help. Sure buddy.

I just love the quote:

So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding…

He starts with needing help, starts to say he just really wants it, then pivota to demanding it.

The fact that he went thru those steps shows how much pressure he’s facing.

His two biggest wings of influence has been Israel and American christo-fascists, if they start pulling him in opposite ways, he can’t hold onto both.

He’s fucked, but so are the rest of us by extension. Hopefully just till midterms at least.

The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population, voting him in once was one thing, but not dealing with Jan 6 harshly under Bidens administration did nothing more than encourage them and their billionaire backers. IF there’s no false flag operation to cancel the midterms and IF presidential elections are held and the democrats get into power, you lot are going to have to overhaul your entire system to ensure another Trump doesn’t happen. And honestly speaking I can’t realistically see that happening.

The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population

No problem.

To put it bluntly I don’t expect Americans to understand our political system, so I’m not surprised when foreigners clearly don’t.

I just wish more would ask questions instead of sharing uninformed opinions as facts, but maga thinking isn’t reserved for Americans…

In the age of misinformation and people using influencers and podcasters as “news and information” it’s become the norm unfortunately. I tend to try and get as broad a view as possible and filter out the bullshit. And admittedly I don’t understand the PAC system or the electoral college, and I can’t condone lobbying as we’ve seen it’s detrimental effect on general rights to Americans as well as pushing policy. Again, these don’t affect us as foreigners, but they tend to push certain policies that end up with wider reaching effects.

or the electoral college

That’s the part that’s relevant…

Whether a state goes 51% of 100%, counts the same.

This leads to depressed turnout and obviously no elections being on “all Americans”. Most of our votes for president don’t matter because most states go one way or the other.

That’s rather f’ed up.

That’s not even the worst…

Our House of representatives is supposed to make up for it, but each rep represents over 20x the people they did when the country was founded.

The reason we lost so much representation, is the room they occasionally meet in would be too cramped if they kept adding chairs to it.

But just in general, it’s almost always best to blame political leaders for a government’s actions and not just blame every person living there.

Good and bad.

But just in general, it’s almost always best to blame political leaders for a government’s actions and not just blame every person living there.

Good and bad.

Agreed, frustration gets to me, considering I come from the Middle East I tend to have very conflicting emotions, having grown up in England I appreciate law and order, equality and an attitude of live and let live. But when my friends and family are in direct danger, my anger rages.

What if those reps had a big, beautiful former ballroom to occupy? That would be pretty cool, someone should get on that.
the cap on House seats was a deliberate move to restrict the power of cities/progressive forces, it wasnt some accident.
If they do it right they only need 22% of the popular vote to win the presidentance, so yeah don’t say it is all Americans that want this when such a small number is needed to win.
America looks like it needs some “Democracy”
You can win with like 2 dozen votes. Not percent. Individual votes. Regardless of how many millions vote for the opposition. Like rounding error above 0% of the popular vote could theoretically “win”. It’s so fucking broken

Whether a state goes 51% of 100%, counts the same.

While the Electoral college has it’s own major issues. Awarding of the votes is done because 48 State Legislatures believe all the votes should go to the winner. Maine and Nebraska award their vote on a semi-proportional system. A true proportional system would go a long way of addressing some of the major issues such as a someone’s Presidential vote being utterly meaningless. A Republican in California or Democrat in Idaho. (electoralvotemap.com/which-states-split-their-ele…)

This is the problem when people say “Vote Blue”. Sure voting Democrat/Republican for US House or lower elections does matter, Senate and Presidential elections? If you live in a Red State, a vote for the Senate or President is completely meaningless in having a say of who gets elected.

Sure, states flip from red to blue and vice versa. However, that only happens if Parties really invest in that state to change it. Parties don’t have unlimited funds, they pay attention to swing states which would have a better return on investment.

It’s the inherent flaw of first past the post/winner take all style of voting.

Which States Split Their Electoral Votes? - Electoral Vote Map

Which states split their electoral votes? Most states allocate electoral votes on a winner-take-all basis, but Maine and Nebraska are different.

Electoral Vote Map
considering the state of mainstream american news, pretty sure those listening to “influencers” are better informed. especially as far as iran/isreal/american imperialism in general is concerned

The PAC system is legal bribery with the added bonus of the public being unaware of who is doing the bribing.

Nations use it to “influence” our representatives, from Israel to Saudi Arabia; the USA is open to all interests with enough cash involved.

Corporations and billionaires also prefer Super PACs, as what they actually want can be very unpopular publicly (like keeping minimum wage down to seven dollars an hour).

So, for example, if your (the briber) position is right wing, you contribute to the R party; if the R party won’t accommodate your position for some reason, the Ds will (but it will cost you a lot more); if your position is left wing, you contribute to the D party; if the D party won’t accommodate your position, the Rs will (but it will cost you a lot more).

With enough money, you can actually change the major parties political platform. See the history of unions, for example. The Democrats were once the “labor party”, when unions were 40% of the workforce in the 1940s. Over the decades, it’s now down to 10%. Or “state’s rights”, the Republicans position for many decades. Now, today they are all about flexing federal power.

This has absolutely nothing to do with what the American voters actually want at any time.

Electoral college? Oh dear God I won’t even try to explain, it’s different for every state (like a province, and there are 50).

The entire system needs an overhaul, it is way to open to corruption.