@AliothFox I think a lot of people misunderstand why Linux users tend to use the the terminal. It's not that you have to use it, it's that there are a ton of tasks that are easier in it. ​ It's a very slippery slope where you go into it very tacitly to copy a command into it that the internet told you about, then suddenly you're, like, "oh hey this is kinda nice ​ I wonder if I can do... *boopboop* oh HECK that works!!" and it's all downhill from there.

But yeah, there's almost *always* a GUI for something you wanna do. ​ It can be a little hard to find that GUI since a lot of Linux help sites are just, like, "here just copy this command" which is definitely a problem for people trying to avoid terminal. ​

@AliothFox Yeah that used to happen all the time actually. ​ There's a reason rm -rf / is a meme. Nowadays it's safer since support sites are a bit more centralized and curated, but it's still definitely a thing that can happen.

Usually the bigger problem is people overestimating what they can do in terminal and then breaking their system. The biggest issue I see tech literate Windows users facing is that they come to Linux, start messing with a bunch of stuff, lack the knowledge to fix it, then swear off Linux as broken, usually while trying to make Linux behave exactly like Windows which, like, it never will. ​

A lot of people encourage Windows users by saying that Linux is the same as Windows, and in a lot of ways it is, but they also need to be encouraged to try and adapt to some new things that (imho) are actually better. Like not downloading random .exe's from the internet. ​

(sorry I always somehow manage to ramble ;^; I need an editor)

@Rusty That's the nice thing - you can get Windows stuff to run on Linux; you just have to do it through virtualization and/or compatibility layers (which, to at least some degree - especially with virtualization - insulates you from the random .exe that you decided to download).

My way of encouraging people to try Linux isn't saying "it's like Windows" (it's not like Windows - that's basically its best quality). What I tend to say more often is stuff like "it's not any harder to learn than Windows" or "it's an operating system like any other" or something like that.

A lot of people think that the non-Windows UX is going to be the sticking point that makes them hate it, but the truth is that the real sticking point is the lack of compatibility, which 1) is improving every day, and 2) usually has alternatives or workarounds (even if they are a bit obtuse at times).

@AliothFox I'm hoping WinBoat gets GPU pass through at some point ​ I do think there are decent FOSS alternatives on Linux for software people use in Windows, but it's a big ask to be, like, "Hey, change your operating system AND change all of the applications you use ​ "

Although, unless you're an artist and your preferred art program is Windows-only or you're a video editor stuck in the Adobe Suite, there aren't many programs I can think of that you'd be leaving behind. I guess that's the one upside to everything being a dumbass Electron app now-- credit to Telegram for using Qt, even if Telegram is butts.

@Rusty Unfortunately my preferred software is on... basically every platform EXCEPT Linux lmao

I managed to install it on Mint through Wine, but it kept crashing any time I tried to launch it. Granted, that was me trying to open it in a VM, so it's entirely possible that on an actual computer that isn't a potato, I could get it working.

@AliothFox Oooh lemme try doing some science then 

...I forgot to turn scaling on for the installer though. ​ Someone get me a magnifying glass pls.

@AliothFox So I spent a really long time dicking with it, and yeah you can get it to install and run, but it's definitely a bit of a headache to get set up. ​ All of the web-based menus work okay in Clip Studio 4, but they get really wonky in Clip Studio 5. I dunno why so much of this app is built with embedded Edge browser windows, it's such an odd choice. It seems like the best approach is to install Clip Studio 4, activate it, then update to 5.

I would say the headache of getting it work compounded by it behaving strangely when it's installed makes it probably not worth it. ​ It's so frustrating because the app works mostly fine, it's just all the Edge stuff that breaks it.

@Rusty Okay, you are talking about "Clip Studio," not "Clip Studio Paint."

Clip Studio is kind of the launcher/hub. Clip Studio Paint is the actual art software. Weirdly, I had no trouble getting Clip Studio (the hub) to work in Linux - the part that kept crashing was Clip Studio Paint (the art software). The problem with installing Clip Studio 4 and updating it is that you end up paying a lot more that way because you have to buy the license twice. The v.4 + v.5 upgrade is cheaper than buying v.4 + v.5 outright, but it's still considerably more expensive than just buying v.5.

I think the reason it's built in with Edge browser windows is because they only really expect Microsoft users to use it. On iOS, for instance, when you search for assets on the hub, it doesn't load the web pages in-app - it opens a browser (Safari in this case) separately and has you complete the operation through that (since everything in Clip Studio is mostly tied to your account and not your device).