supersquirrelMar 15

The Palestinian Genocide IS NOT US Politics OK!!!

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630105

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Show threadjordanlundMar 15

Stop being a moron. What Israel is doing is an evil genocide, but it is NOT US political policy.

Get your head out of your ass!

Show threadRicky RigatoniMar 15
The US is funding the genocide as part of their foreign policy that makes it US politics.
Show threadjordanlundMar 15

The US is providing funding which Israel is appropriating for genocide, but it was never provided specifically for the genocide.

Israel’s war crimes are on Israel.

Show threadLuminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]

The US is providing funding which Israel is appropriating for genocide, but it was never provided specifically for the genocide.

that’s a distinction without a difference,

Mar 15 at 5:13pmWeb
Show threadjordanlundMar 15

Huge difference for the people who legitimately believe Israel has a right to self defense. The problem is they also can’t recognize that Israel moved to offense ages ago.

The funding was provided in good faith, it’s being used in bad faith. That’s the difference.

Show threadsupersquirrelMar 15

You are framing this as sequence of events where the US formerly gave Israel weapons under false pretenses from Israel about what they would be used for when there is no evidence it was under false pretenses, there is no evidence it stopped and there is no evidence it will stop.

You are trying to describe a river as a truck that drove by once, not a continuous flow where each subsequent thing is an evolution and a response to the last. You say well the US drove the truck of weapons to Israel and THEN they committed Genocide with them… I say it is a continous river where if what was happening downstream was truly dammed (and not just damned), the consequences would already be overwhelming for what was attempting to dam an undeniable upstream force even if there is a physical distance of separation described… it is a river, that is what rivers are, conveyances in communication.

This is a river of arms, death and the machinery of oppression.

Show threadjordanlundMar 15

First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!

The problem is that US politicians are absolutely blind when it comes to Israeli war crimes. I personally know people in Southern Lebanon impacted not just by what Israel is doing there NOW, but what they have been doing there, Jesus, going back to the 90s through multiple illegal occupations.

All the politicians see is “Hezbollah attacks Israel? ZOMG! More money for defense!”

Ignoring the fact that, the reality on the ground is, they will kidnap a doctor in the middle of the night, tell him if he resists, he will be shot and killed, haul him off to treat a prisoner with no compensation, and then dump him on the side of the road like so much trash when they no longer have a use for him.

That’s a true story from the brother of one of my close friends. The difference is, I have the decency and common sense to blame Israel for it, not the US.

It’s Israeli policy to bulldoze homes, not US policy:

amnesty.org/…/lebanon-israeli-militarys-deliberat…

Lebanon: Israeli military’s deliberate destruction of civilian property and land ‘must be investigated as war crimes’

The Israeli military’s extensive and deliberate destruction of civilian property and agricultural land across southern Lebanon must be investigated as war crimes, Amnesty International said in a new briefing. Nowhere To Return: Israel’s Extensive Destruction of Southern Lebanon documents how Israeli forces used manually laid explosives and bulldozers to devastate civilian structures, including homes, mosques, […]

Amnesty International
Show threadsupersquirrelMar 15

First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!

Don’t play cute with me, I am accusing you of a grave crime upon your own soul you fool.

IV. Intersecting Components of the Gaza Genocide A. Genocide Under the Guise of Diplomatic and Political Actions

  • Prolonged political and diplomatic support by influential Third States has enabled Israel to initiate and sustain its assault on the Palestinian people. In the past two years, entrenched complicity, marked by narrative manipulations and reproduction of Israeli fabrications, have muted the urgent calls for action and obscured the web of political, financial and military interests at play. The longstanding failure to address egregious violations of international law by Israel – threatening international peace and security – has normalized and deepened relations with it, entrenching oppression, domination and erasure.
  • Following 7 October 2023, most Western leaders parroted Israeli narratives, disseminated by State and corporate media, repeating debunked claims and erasing core distinctions between combatants and civilians. Israelis were depicted as “civilians” and “hostages”, and Palestinians as “Hamas terrorists”, “legitimate” or “collateral” targets, “human shields” or lawfully detained “prisoners”. Drawing on a long history of the “savage” denied protections of international law, revived by the War on Terror discourse, Western States helped to justify the genocide against Palestinians. On 9 October 2023, immediately after Israel announced a tightened siege on Gaza, key Western leaders expressed support for the “self-defence” of Israel – unwarranted under article 51 of the UN Charter. President Biden repeatedly cited unsubstantiated reports of “beheaded babies”. British opposition Leader Keir Starmer defended Israel’s right to cut off water and power to civilians.
  • This environment fuelled a ferocious Israeli assault. Even amidst urgent calls for a ceasefire, Western states, led by the United States, advocated only for humanitarian “corridors”, “pauses” and “truces” – sidestepping a permanent ceasefire and ensuring a continuation of the violence. States reverted to treating the situation as a humanitarian crisis to be managed, rather than resolved, by demanding that Israel end its unlawful occupation once and for all, providing further leeway to the assault on Gaza.
  • Post-October 2023, the United States used its veto power in the UN Security Council seven times, controlling ceasefire negotiations and providing diplomatic cover for the Israeli genocide. The US has not acted alone. Abstentions, delays, watered-down draft resolutions and a simplistic rhetoric of “balance” reinforced the diplomatic protection and political narrative Israel required to continue the The United Kingdom maintained alignment with the US position until November 2024. A bloc of Western states – Australia, New Zealand and Canada, sometimes joined by the UK, Germany or the Netherlands – appeared at times ready to pressurize Israel, such as in December 2023, when their statements added momentum for a ceasefire. Yet their introduction of the term “sustained ceasefire” produced a diluted UNSC resolution that delayed action. In February 2024, they criticized the planned invasion of Rafah while simultaneously withdrawing United Nations Relief Words Agency (UNRWA) funding. Such diplomacy created an illusion of progress while concrete actions were repeatedly stymied.
  • Sanctions served a similar In 2024, Australia, Canada, the EU, New Zealand and the UK sanctioned some extremist settlers and organizations, and in June 2025, Israeli Ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich were sanctioned by Australia, Canada, Norway and the UK. Yet such isolated actions effectively condone the Israeli state system and structures as a whole.
  • Arab and Muslim states have long supported the Palestinian Three joint Arab- Islamic summits and several extraordinary meetings on Palestine, generated some collective efforts, including the Arab Plan. Nevertheless, these actions have not been decisive, even amid Israeli aggression against six Arab States, reflecting the complexity of regional geopolitics. Normalization through the US-brokered Abraham Accords has also shifted economic incentives. Open sources report that influential States in the region facilitated land routes to Israel, bypassing the Red Sea. While Qatar and Egypt sought to broker ceasefire agreements, Qatar hosts the largest US military base in the region, and Egypt maintained significant security and economic relations with Israel, including energy cooperation and the closing of the Rafah crossing.
  • Certain non-Western States have turned to international courts to seek accountability and pressurize Israel to cease its actions. While only 13 States have supported South Africa before the ICJ, most Western States have persistently denied genocide. None have joined Nicaragua against Germany at the ICJ, or invoked domestic laws against complicit corporations or individuals. Only seven referred the situation to the ICC, many sought to undermine its arrest warrants, and at least 37 States were non-committal or critical, signalling intent to evade arrest obligations. The United States imposed sanctions to paralyse the Court; the United Kingdom threatened its funding, while Prime Minister Netanyahu travelled freely across European airspace, even visiting Hungary, which withdrew from the Court in April 2025.
  • Israel has been sheltered from accountability in courts as well as in global fora, with institutions preventing its deserved expulsion both from sports (e.g., Paris Olympics, FIFA World Cup qualifiers, FIBA, Davis Cup) and cultural events (Eurovision, Venice Biennale).
  • The ICJ’s groundbreaking ruling on the illegality of the occupation has yet to bring change. On 18 September 2024, the UN General Assembly adopted resolution ES-10/24, reaffirming the binding nature of the Court’s legal obligations and formulating a roadmap to end the occupation by 17 September 2025 through diplomatic, economic and legal measures which states have yet to implement.
  • The Saudi–French Two-State Solution Conference of September 2025 led to ten new States recognizing the State of Palestine. While an important step, these tardy recognitions have so far remained symbolic, with no tangible effect in addressing the ongoing genocide. Overall, 20 new states have issued recognitions of the State of Palestine since October 2023, but with restrictive conditions (e.g., concerning governance, territorial integrity, political independence and demilitarization) incompatible with the very essence of self- determination, effectively reproducing forms of colonial tutelage.
  • Since October 2023, only Belize, Bolivia, Colombia and Nicaragua have suspended diplomatic relations with Israel, and only six States – Bahrain, Chad, Chile, Honduras, Jordan, Türkiye and South Africa – have downgraded their relations with Israel.
  • The most notable effort has come from the Hague Group initiative launched in January 2025. Led by Colombia and South Africa, 13 States of the Global Majority have committed to enforce six concrete measures against Israel. Twenty-one other States joined the third meeting of the Group in New York on the sidelines of the 80th Session of the General Assembly. Despite the efforts of some of its members, Israel still holds its UN credentials.
  • On 30 September 2025, many States, including Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye and the UAE, endorsed the “Trump Plan”, despite its silence on ending the occupation, ensuring accountability, providing transitional justice and its imposition of a temporary mechanism of imperial foreign governance for Gaza that further undermines, rather than realizes, Palestinian self-determination.

    • un.org/…/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-…

    Show threadjordanlundMar 15

    Lets try to keep this simple since I see you can’t keep up.

    [email protected] is specifically for US Politics.

    You posted this story:

    newarab.com/…/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tac…

    It was removed and you were directed to appropriately post it in [email protected] where it belongs.

    I want you to go over that article very carefully and point to me where it states the US is in any way involved in the invasion of Lebanon.

    You can’t, because it doesn’t.

    For example, like this one:

    israelhayom.com/…/trump-gave-israel-green-light-f…

    That is something that COULD be posted to [email protected] as it specifically indicts a US politician and is directly related to US politics.

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    Show threadAmnesigenicMar 16
    Try harder
    Show threadjordanlundMar 16

    I’m making pictures now for the people who refuse to read words, maybe that will help? Dunno.

    Show threadAmnesigenicMar 17
    Get a job
    Show threadNotASharkInAManSuitMar 17
    It is, though.
    Show threadmrdownMar 15
    Mainaiining occupation is not self defense. Nazi germany did not have the right to defend themselves against the people they genocided
    Show threadjordanlundMar 16

    No, and that’s not the defense the funding was provided for. The US intended Israel to defend itself from repeated attacks by Iran:

    en.wikipedia.org/…/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_…

    Then Israel re-directed that support into Gaza and the West Bank.

    April 2024 Iranian strikes on Israel - Wikipedia

    Show threadmrdownMar 16
    In response to the bombing of the iranian consulate in Syria. It is none of the usa business anyway to send a single dime to a settler colonial power till it end occupation
    Show threadjordanlundMar 16
    Agreed, but as long as politicians rely on donations for re-election campaigns, they will absolutely do anything to keep that money flowing.
    Show threadLuminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]Mar 17

    how long has Israel been committing genocide? how long ago was the beginning of the nakba? and how long ago was the last time the GOP and democrats came together in a strong showing of bipartisan support for Israel to give them weapons to kill more Arabs (and now Persians)?

    the funding is being used exactly for the purpose the US intended it for. and you know that.

    Show threadEnsign_CrabMar 19

    Huge difference for the people who legitimately believe Israel has a right to self defense.

    No one believes genocide is self defense.

    The funding was provided in good faith, it’s being used in bad faith

    The funding was provided by genocide supporting shit who absolutely knew that the only thing it was ever going to be used for was to commit genocide.