Brian DouglasWhat European alternatives do I have to apple and android phones?
Maximilien DantonFairphone with /e/OS, which is still android but the open source portion of android with EU alternatives.
There is the Jolla phone. Jolla as far as I can tell is not ready for public release yet.
The other option is a pixel phone that is unlocked. While it is still a US product, you can install GrapheneOS on it, which is made in Canada.
Florian Schmidt@infidel
The ShiftPhone with ShiftOS from Germany (as far as you can say that about a product with a worldwide value chain like a smartphone).
The ShiftPhone with ShiftOS from Germany (as far as you can say that about a product with a worldwide value chain like a smartphone).
@schmidt_fu @infidel I wonder why it has to have a worldwide value chain.
What makes smaller markets unviable? It’s interesting to me. Today we have global monopolies, usually US based, and very little “home grown” tech markets.
I feel thr catalyst for change would be to ignore the offerings of the market monopolies and rethink the solutions from the ground up. Copying Google and Android will never beat Google and Android… for example.
@brianwdouglas
I'm not into the details, but it's about rare metals and other materials that you can't just source regionally.
@infidel
I'm not into the details, but it's about rare metals and other materials that you can't just source regionally.
@infidel
@schmidt_fu @infidel oh we were on different wave lengths. You are right. I was referring only to software.
@infidel thanks.
I understand why many are “android based”, the scale of requirements. But even though android is partly open source it is still very much Google.
I wonder how Nokia did it back in the day… did they create a full operating system themselves. I remember all the quirky phone variants. I long for uniqueness in software.
@brianwdouglas I think Jolla is the successor to Meego. Sailfish is definitely unique. I actually think they had gesture based navigation before android did.
@infidel I must take a look at SailFish. I remember hearing about it a long time ago. But haven’t heard anything recently.
Danieλ ΦØΘ_☮️@brianwdouglas : heard of Murena SHIFTphone (no Ad ;-)
SamJacQuite some.
I'd like to point out two of them, which I find most interesting:
1. Sailfish os from Jolla. Completely european. Not sure tho, if it will work as a daily driver. I last checked it with Sailfish os 3.3 some years ago. It wasn't ready for everyday use then. But that may have changed.
2. Murena's /e/os. Android based but AOSP android, not google's. Switching from android to /e /os is very simple. I did so in January and are absolutely happy with it.
Metin Seven 🎨@brianwdouglas You might want to have a look at these links. They're mostly software-related, but probably useful as well…
@metin nice one. I’ll take a look.