David, I thought you were really cool. But it turns out you're not really against Gen AI after all.
There's absolutely no such thing as ethical Gen AI. I'm not talking about types of machine learning that existed before 2022. That's not Gen AI. I'm talking about *generative* "AI."
And there's no such thing as "ethical" Gen AI, nor "it'll get better in the future!" Even your "what if it's just local, on device!" is a bullshit excuse.
Gen AI is inherently fascist.
Gen AI is inherently brainwashing and mindwarping.
The massive environmental destruction and training off off massive amounts of people's creations without permission isn't the only problem with Gen AI.
And I'm sick and fucking tired of people's obsession with finding "nuance" in inherently evil shit. Take a strong stance against evil, or be a coward.
If only you had the moral courage of Anthony Moser, rather than the cowardice of a tech bro.
@kimcrawley Ok, I think we just have a problem of definition here. I'm just talking about the coding method, the small neural networks home made for Character Recognition for scanner, built on a limited dataset of scans (with autorisation); or a filter that auto clean line-art, like on this paper https://www.davidrevoy.com/article642/scientific-paper-sketch-to-line-art-by-waseda-university I participated in 2018. Yes, things that existed before 2022.
I think we agree on all gen AI from surveillance capitalism by corpo. No need to jump on the big words or insults.
@kimcrawley Also, I concede my wording on my FAQ (that's probably was written around 2022/2023) could be better and more precise. I'll note on my TODO to try to disambiguate this as much as possible.
Edit: updated with an 'addendum': https://www.davidrevoy.com/static2/about-me
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David, the conflation of working, innocuous computational methods such as what you describe here with the exploitive and theft-based methods of the last few years was intentional.
The use of this conflation to illicit otherwise well-meaning individuals to equivocate over "good" and "bad" AI is a well-known tactic for bogging down criticism.
It's not exactly just two people having a difference in definitions.
@davidrevoy @kimcrawley The question to ask is who are you trying to appeal to when you say you're "not against all AI"?
Are you worried someone reading post-2023 is going to somehow think you're referring to some predictive algorithm in use in hospitals 2016?
Anyone with even a vague knowledge of AI is going to know you're not, anyone that doesn't isn't going to even know to think that as "AI" to them means the shit we're all disparaging!
@kwazekwaze @kimcrawley ? I'm not trying to appeal others with my ideas on the topic, I just say what I think and do, unfiltred. I'm an independent artist with a comic project, not a doing PR strategy. 🤣
Also, FIY, in Free Libre and Open Source gfx, we have a library part of GMIC like nn_lib ( see 5.2 in https://gmic.eu/gmic325/ ), that is "neural network learning". It use small, ethical dataset. It's for making better filters, it runs local, etc... The nuance is for that type of projects.
You're trying to appeal to centrism fallacy. "I'm not one of those radicals who is totally against bad thing, I am partly supportive of bad thing, to be rational and sensible!
The planet can have a little destruction, as a treat!
I don't like to get all *political*. So when bad thing is destroying the world, instead of being on the right side of history and firmly opposing bad thing, I'm gonna not get involved and just let bad thing hurt people 'cuz it's just politics, you know?
Don't confuse me for someone with principles and a strong moral code!" 😂🤣😂🤣
I see no "straw men" here, only a coward who refuses to take a strong moral stance. The planet destroying torment nexus and the technofascists who love it aren't going to give you a cookie as you watch the planet burn and shrug about how you don't care.
@davidrevoy @kimcrawley Yeah man, I know. The "well-meaning individuals" part was referring to you! I ain't accusing you of malignance.
Try this: Imagine a world where half the critical articles about bitcoin had the author ending with "now don't get me wrong I'm not actually opposed to all crypto. SHA-256 and SSH are actually super useful technologies".
A little weird, right?
Well, he's got to play into the little trick Sam Altman chose when he came up with the term Gen AI so people who oppose the planet destroying torment nexus can get get pushback with "so you want the scripts that make NPC in SNES game do a thing when the player does a thing to be *illegal*?!"
Meanwhile, there is no agreed upon definition of "AI" in computer science.
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