Alexia Mar 13
Systemd has denied to revise their policy in regards to AI.

they've also marked evidence that people gave regarding its effectiveness as off-topic, then locked the conversation.

I believe the authors have not understood the weight of the issue. Later this day, I will begin drafting an open letter to Systemd's authors under the Starlight Network umbrella of projects. EDIT: or perhaps I will take a different approach. There's many more issues I want to talk about.
Disallow usage of generative AI to write code · Issue #41085 · systemd/systemd

Component No response Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe Generative AI is actively killing people, driving up costs, and plagiarizing work from many open source developer...

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Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13
@alexia completely fucking ridiculous. at this point, we’d all be better off just recreating everything that AI has infected instead of arguing with these people.
Show threadAlexia 
@mrmasterkeyboard easier said than done, even just getting a hard-fork off of the ground is quite difficult, letalone a drop-in replacement
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Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13
@alexia if me and the others working on EVi could do it, i'm sure anyone with enough knowledge could!
Show threadsarah tonin Mar 13

@alexia @mrmasterkeyboard i mean there's already openrc and s6 and the rest of systemd can be replaced with extra independant components on the side

putting everything in one place is exactly how we got into this mess, why recreate it ?

Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13
@SRAZKVT @alexia Just because you can recreate it doesn't mean you need to make the same choices as them too. That's the fun part of recreating things.
Show threadsarah tonin Mar 13

@mrmasterkeyboard @alexia the problem is the very design of a lot of systemd components is that each depend on several others in an incomprehensible web, so unless you're willing to cut some features, you'll need to redo the whole thing in mostly the same way

if you're fine with just a subset though, you should be mostly fine, but again, it'd be a subset, not 100% compatible

Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩Mar 13
@SRAZKVT @mrmasterkeyboard @alexia ngl, I wonder if folks can do a port of SMF to Linux? that would make me a lot more likely to want to use Linux tbh
Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13
@freya @SRAZKVT @alexia i'm not sure what SMF is
Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩Mar 13
@mrmasterkeyboard @SRAZKVT @alexia oh! it's a very finely scoped init system that's kind of like "what if we did systemd, but actually done properly"? Doesn't use shell scripts, has its own awareness of service states, does a lot of the same things systemd does in terms of initing but it doesn't like do more than that
Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13

@freya @SRAZKVT @alexia oh, that seems cool

i looked it up and it's a Solaris thing, i think Solaris (during the Sun days) was pretty neat

Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩Mar 13
@mrmasterkeyboard @SRAZKVT @alexia yeah! I use Solaris on a daily basis and I think SMF is one of the best components
Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13
@freya @SRAZKVT @alexia i need to get back to Solaris honestly and see if i could make it a part of anything... the only one i used was Sun Solaris 9 on UTM...
Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩Mar 13
@mrmasterkeyboard @SRAZKVT @alexia omg niiiice
Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩Mar 13
@mrmasterkeyboard @SRAZKVT @alexia if you want an account on one of my Solaris boxen let me know, hey?
Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13

@freya @SRAZKVT @alexia hmm, sounds cool, i'll think about that and see if i do if i start trying to use Solaris more.

(might take a while, i've got a lot of stuff on mind at the moment and... honestly, i do too much nowadays, this will take a while to get through everything i want and i keep procrastinating. apologies for the involuntary vent.)

Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩Mar 13
@mrmasterkeyboard @SRAZKVT @alexia nah is totally ok!
Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13
@freya @SRAZKVT @alexia although i'm curious, is it a SPARC machine and what version of Solaris may i ask?
Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩Mar 13
@mrmasterkeyboard @SRAZKVT @alexia SPARC yes, UkltraSPARC-IIe running a heavily modified version of Solaris 10 1/13 with the 2021-10 security patch and the FractalKit Solaris upgrade kit
Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 13
@freya @SRAZKVT @alexia ooh, niice!
Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)𒀭𒈹𒍠𒊩Mar 13
@mrmasterkeyboard @SRAZKVT @alexia not a terribly high spec machine, Sun Blade 150, but holy shit if it's not the most stable thing in the history of ever
Show threadSIN001E/R-SINE | ΘΔ🦈 | 🏳‍⚧Mar 14

@SRAZKVT @mrmasterkeyboard @alexia i don't think you even really need to recreate systemd in the first place though

like, i've been running runit for a while now, and have had practically zero issues; turns out the vast majority of things that "depend on" systemd literally just need their service file rewritten, which in most cases takes 5 minutes

and on a distro built around runit like Void, that's of course already done in packaging

Show threadsarah tonin Mar 14
@sinewave @mrmasterkeyboard @alexia i don't think runit is perfect (even though i run it as well, and have for 4 years now), because runit doesn't handle service dependencies, but still, s6 and openrc exist and both support those
Show threadSIN001E/R-SINE | ΘΔ🦈 | 🏳‍⚧Mar 14

@SRAZKVT @mrmasterkeyboard @alexia true, although there's a very simple (and very runit-y) solution; you just run sv check dependency and exit with nonzero if it fails

the overhead isn't particularly high since it waits a few seconds between attempts; and as it turns out not that many services even need explicit dependency handling