Mastodawn

Hello #chess community!

I'm working through a chess training handbook, which cites the game between Schulten and Morphy 1857 (New York).

While carefully single stepping through the move notation printed in the book, I noticed that something didn't add up, maybe due to a misprint, or me misinterpreting. So I'm trying to debug the book, by looking online for any other records of this game.

Worse still, the only online versions of this game do not tally at all with the printed version.

So, can anyone help me pin this exact game down please? Was there more than one?

Book says this game began as:
1. e4 e5
2. f4 d5
3. exd5 e4
4. Nc3 Nf6
5. d3 Bb4 ...

(Hopefully that's enough to get a lock on it?)

Kind regards!

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stackeffect Mar 12

@tillymoose What's wrong with this? Looks totally legal to me.

[Event "New York"]
[Site "New York, NY USA"]
[Date "1857.??.??"]
[EventDate "1857.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "John William Schulten"]
[Black "Paul Morphy"]
[ECO "C31"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Source "Chess Monthly, vol.ii, January 1858, p.21"]
[PlyCount "46"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 e4 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. d3 Bb4
6. Bd2 e3 7. Bxe3 O-O 8. Bd2 Re8+ 9. Be2 Bxc3 10. bxc3 Bg4
11. c4 c6 12. dxc6 Nxc6 13. Kf1 Rxe2 14. Nxe2 Nd4 15. Qb1 Bxe2+
16. Kf2 Ng4+ 17. Kg1 Nf3+ 18. gxf3 Qd4+ 19. Kg2 Qf2+ 20. Kh3 Qxf3+
21. Kh4 Ne3 22. Rg1 Nf5+ 23. Kg5 Qh5# 0-1

Source: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1075588

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Tilda Moose, programmer Mar 13

@stackeffect

Hello! Thanks for finding that, I'm new to looking up and finding specific games and trying them out.

There was no illegality suspected; my 90's chess computer came with a manual that had some errors in its rendition of this game.

Now I find that this game seems to have a few different endings, depending on where you look...

Is that normal?

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stackeffect

@tillymoose Perhaps LLM halluscinations? I would say it's not normal to have different endings for a historical chess game.

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Tilda Moose, programmer Mar 13

@stackeffect
IDK yet. So while I've got time on my hands, I've been comparing all the easily accessible versions of this game I can find, and ... they don't all end the same.