fuopy
mccIt's like finding out the open source community's got black mold
Daniel Carosone@mcc AIsbestos.
Cassandra is only carbon now@mcc Not to mention people who are very, very excited to huff black mold spores.
Asta [AMP]
LR
Dec [{(
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Why drink it when you can inject the concoction into your veins?
https://www.livescience.com/magic-mushroom-injection-case-report.html
"The man spent 22 days in the hospital, with eight of those days in the intensive care unit (ICU), where he received treatment for multisystem organ failure. Now released, he is still being treated with a long-term regimen of antibiotic and antifungal drugs"
det (θΔ)@mcc their vibe-coded slop (zfs) versus my honorable, ornately written tapistry (xfs)
sgi stays winning (i am gonna be shattered if it turns out xfs ALSO uses ai code, my goats had failed me if so)
sgi stays winning (i am gonna be shattered if it turns out xfs ALSO uses ai code, my goats had failed me if so)
Jens Finkhäuser
aburka 🫣
sport of sacred spherical cowsGrowing in the cruft.
4am ❧
Cassandrich@mcc I like that the mold is now visible rather than hiding under the carpets.
These people were always who they are now. And we treated them as rockstars or at least as reasonable bosses.
Lucas@mcc It's disheartening to see how many maintainers have fallen for AI. But on the other hand it's good to see that there's a decent amount of pushback as well. That gives some hope that this isn't the end. Best case scenario: We end up with a FOSS community that got rid of its problematic leaders, is more aware and critical of power dynamics and more focused on building good software instead of chasing whatever Silicon Valley is doing rn.
@lu_leipzig So far pushback seems to have had no impact on projects and I see no organized attempts to fork more than a couple scattered projects in protest of AI infection. If we want a best case scenario we have to take steps toward making it happen.
@mcc Agreed, but where to start? Personally, I'd be willing to contribute to fork efforts as long as they're well-organized and principled, but I couldn't imagine forking a project without having been involved / familiar with the codebase. IMHO, there also needs to be an organization uniting the movement, and both the FSF (somewhat surprisingly) and the OSI (unsurprisingly) are failing big time at that so far.
Phie Lux 
@lu_leipzig @mcc Definitely. The place to start is in governance. We need to shed the benevolent dictator model, whether that dictator is a single person, a single organization, or a small “council of elders”. We can run things collectively. It will be a new experience for just about everybody but it’s not like we have no experience in doing it.
@sabrina @lu_leipzig If the problem is values, it is not clear to me collective decision making will turn out better than top-down decision making. Then the question is whether the collective has good values.
At the moment, my goal is a separation. Allowing the people whose values reject LLMs to coordinate with each other and develop software without people who will try to inject LLM support or outputs being given an opportunity to do so.
@mcc @lu_leipzig You're right. The governance is mostly tangential to the issue. Collective governance is a conclusion I reached awhile ago. I definitely skipped a few steps in the reasoning I was using.
So re-opening the question I preemptively tried to answer, how do we protect the people and the values that reject LLMS? I'm open to any answer. I want out of this mess so I'm looking for anything that is practical ASAP.
Alexia 
@mcc @lu_leipzig
I raise you two things
1. this issue on fish-shell which within 12 hours became the #1 issue by number of 👍 reactions and has seen 2 members speak out against its inclusion/use
2. established lists of projects that reject AI (which will be growing by many entries in April)
the backlash hasn't affected like idk, harfbuzz, but we do have a voice, and I really want to know what you think of this stuff
I raise you two things
1. this issue on fish-shell which within 12 hours became the #1 issue by number of 👍 reactions and has seen 2 members speak out against its inclusion/use
2. established lists of projects that reject AI (which will be growing by many entries in April)
the backlash hasn't affected like idk, harfbuzz, but we do have a voice, and I really want to know what you think of this stuff
asie@alexia What is the stance regarding projects which do not allow AI-generated code, but end up pulling in AI-generated code by virtue of their dependencies? I think that especially for languages where it is customary to have hundreds of them, this will get very complicated very fast (see: chardet)...
moralrecordings@mcc It's telling that the one "big" success story in the years of slop has been computer programming, an industry where a lot of people have no professional standards and are allergic to solidarity.
@moralrecordings @mcc in niz bogzarad
So file systems, nothing new there as there was a murder almong them.
Oh protect the children too.
Rob Isaac
Steve Gisselbrecht
mirabilos