AddisonMar 9
god dammit. anyone have good #zola alternatives? I just saw the .claude folder... I can probably just pin to a version before the slop, though.
Show threadmeek cynicsMar 9
@addison, what features do you need?
Show threadAddisonMar 9
@[email protected] Mostly just the templating and RSS generation, without the insanity of the Hugo language. For now, just pinning to old Zola is still okay.
Show threadmeek cynicsMar 9
Just asking for clarification to make it easier for others to answer, @addison, I've no suggestion myself (writing my own SSG to replace the god-slow Franklin right now, especially when Julia's joined the slop).
Show threadmeek cynicsMar 10

Julia's joined the slop

So have CPython and TypeScript 

Show threadxrvsMar 10

python has been “the language for AI” and some of the recent PEPs are motivated by LLMs, and typescript is by microslop so i’m not really surprised

@cnx

Show threadmeek cynicsMar 11
The context was SSG, @xarvos, so I was venting how difficult it is now to avoid supporting LLM when writing one, they (and Go and Rust) are the most popular languages, including to those writing syntax highlighters and math rendering. The reference implementation of Rust is now embracing the slop (so is Go's) too and neither gccrs nor mrustc has been able to keep up with the moving language (gccgo is on par with go though). @pinskia of GCC at least isn't open to LLM usages though I'd be interested in a concrete policy. Cc: @addison
internal: Define rules for LLMs · rust-lang/rust@7bd3c42

rust-analyzer allows AI usage (see #21314), but requires contributors to declare usage. This adds a rule file that improves LLM output quality and instructs the LLM to declare usage in commit messa...

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Show threadxrvsMar 11

i see

The reference implementation of Rust is now embracing the slop

yea, given that rust’s moving fast and breaking things philosophy i’m not really surprised

so is Go’s

also not surprised given it’s by google

GCC at least isn’t open to LLM usages

i hope that at least. i suppose neither are zig and hare, bug personally i find handling strings in those languages painful

@cnx @pinskia @addison

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oh and also, i’m too lazy to implement a markdown parser which i suppose zig/hare is missing

@cnx @addison @pinskia

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Show threadmeek cynicsMar 11
@xarvos, Zig and Hare have official statements, which are possible thanks to their BDFL governing model. Personally I find Zig delightful for implementing parsing state machine, but both Zig and Hare speak C ABI so one can just use a C library like discount. Currently I'm playing with the Lua implementation of djot with the full intention of hard-forking once jgm (of pandoc and CommonMark fame) wants to introduce slop to it. Cc: @pinskia & @addison
Documentation - The Zig Programming Language

Show threadmeek cynicsMar 15
 janet now bans llm-generated code
Show threadxrvsMar 17
@cnx is this just lisp
Show threadmeek cynicsMar 17
there's no first-class linked list so maybe not in the literal sense, @xarvos
Show threadxrvsMar 19

oh right i forgot zig uses LLVM backend too

@cnx