HotznplotznMar 10

China: Tibetan monk sentenced to six years in prison for teaching Tibetan language

https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/52067784

China: Tibetan monk sentenced to six years in prison for teaching Tibetan language - SDF Chatter

Archived [https://web.archive.org/web/20260305215536/https://phayul.com/tibetan-monk-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-teaching-tibetan-language/] Palden Yeshi, a Tibetan monk and teacher from eastern Tibet, has reportedly been sentenced to six years in prison by Chinese authorities for teaching the Tibetan language to local children during school holidays, according to a report by the Dharamshala-based independent radio station Voice of Tibet (VoT). He was a teacher at Karze Monastery in Tehor, Karze County, and was arrested on May 17, 2021, while serving at the monastery. According to sources cited by VoT, Chinese police suddenly arrived at the monastery and detained him without prior notice, forcibly taking him away. Following his detention, authorities did not provide his family with clear information regarding the reasons for his arrest or the legal basis for the charges against him. Sources indicate that the primary reason for his detention was his efforts to teach the Tibetan language to more than 300 local children during school holidays. The classes were reportedly organized for young students from nearby communities who wished to learn Tibetan reading and writing. Chinese authorities are believed to have deemed these voluntary language lessons illegal. […] In related news, China bars Tibetan government employees from religious rites and family funerals [https://web.archive.org/web/20260306223806/https://phayul.com/china-bars-tibetan-government-employees-from-religious-rites-and-family-funerals/]. Tibetans employed in government positions have been strictly forbidden from engaging in religious practices. While they are technically allowed to visit major religious sites such as the Jokhang Temple (Tsuglakhang) and the Potala Palace during Losar, their presence is limited to sightseeing purposes only. They are expressly prohibited from offering prayers, making ritual offerings, performing prostrations, or displaying any other forms of religious devotion. Authorities reportedly warned that such acts would constitute violations of Communist Party discipline. The restrictions extend into private family life. Government employees are said to be barred not only from participating in public religious ceremonies but also from attending last rites, weekly memorial prayer services, and cremation rituals for their own deceased relatives. A Lhasa resident told TT that even the traditional seventh-day prayers for the departed cannot be attended by those in state employment. […]

Show threadArchangel1313Mar 10
Who says China is an authoritarian regime? You can’t prove that. /s
Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 10
Well, this article certainly doesn’t prove anything. It’s 100% baseless speculation.
Show threadArchangel1313Mar 10
What “proof” would you believe?
Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 10
Well, to start with, something more credible than “sources indicate” lmao. Y’all really just believe anything bad about China no matter how flimsy it is.
Show threadArchangel1313Mar 10

The man’s been missing for the last 5 years, after Chinese authorities arrested him. That’s confirmed by his family…not “unnamed sources”. So, either this report is true, and he’s been in prison the whole time…or those Chinese authorities killed him.

Which scenario do you consider more credible? Because those are the only ones that explain his absence. Up until recently, his family assumed the latter.

Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 10

The man’s been missing for the last 5 years, after Chinese authorities arrested him. That’s confirmed by his family…not “unnamed sources”.

This source doesn’t even claim he’s been “missing.”

So, either this report is true, and he’s been in prison the whole time…or those Chinese authorities killed him.

I swear, you don’t even need propaganda to make up lies to tell you, you’ll just invent the lies yourself based on nothing. Absolutely ridiculous.

Show threadArchangel1313Mar 10

Oh, ok. So, you’re just one of those lazy disbelievers, that doesn’t even bother to look into anything before dismissing it, out-of-hand? Cool. I guess it’s easier to have an uninformed opinion than it is to use Google?

I’ll do your homework for you this time, but after this, you’re going to have to start helping yourself. Or, you can just continue to make yourself look ignorant online. It’s really up to you.

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Show threaddavelMar 11

Why would the Chinese state “disappear” someone for teaching Tibetan when the same Chinese state funds public schools to teach Tibetan, just as it does for Cantonese, Uyghur, and many other regional languages?

What’s very convenient for telling us these stories is that we live far away from China and can’t read or understand any of those languages, so we’ve got nothing to go on but what our governments, corporations, and NGOs tell us. Getting information any other way requires significant time & effort, which few can afford and even fewer are inclined to do thanks to more than a century of anticommunist propaganda.

The next convenient, orthodox excuse that’s reliably used is that it’s impossible to investigate because China is wily, secretive, and duplicitous. Another non-falsifiable claim that panders to preconceptions planted by a lifetime of anticommunist propaganda.

Who’s going to investigate whether this person actually was “disappeared” for decades? Who has the time & resources to verify every such story, when the imperial core has the resources to crank out dozens of slop stories every day, which @[email protected] and his “friends” dutifully post every day?

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Show threadArchangel1313Mar 11

Why would the Chinese state “disappear” someone for teaching Tibetan when the same Chinese state funds public schools to teach Tibetan, just as it does for Cantonese, Uyghur, and many other regional languages?

That’s not true, at all. It has been official Chinese policy for years now, that the teaching of Tibetan was outlawed. This is all a part of China’s “sinicization” efforts to “unify Chinese culture”. This has been expanded more recently to include all of China…not just Tibet.

Why is China so terrified of Tibetan language classes? – Central Tibetan Administration

By Sang Jieja The notice warns that monks, monasteries offering free lessons to children during winter break will be punished The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) recently banned Tibetan monasteries from offering Tibetan language classes, prompting international human rights organizations to reques

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Show threaddavelMar 11

The law will require ethnic minorities to use Mandarin Chinese as their main language of instruction

  • It’s very common worldwide for there to be a standard, lingua franfa language for education in multilingual countries, which is most countries. Are you going to excoriate France as well, which has been much more suppressive of regional languages than China? The entire southern third of France used to speak Occitan, and now very few are left who even understand it.
  • The use of Mandarin is not exclusive; it’s only mandatory. China has not stopped providing minority language education in primary schooling.
    • Show threadArchangel1313

    I think you missed the part where teaching minority languages is now being “criminalized” in mainland China…and has been illegal for some time now, in Tibet.

    That is vastly different than simply having a standardized curriculum. Being able to speak those languages may not technically be a crime. But, teaching them to younger generations, is. You will go to prison for violating these laws. By definition, that absolutely counts as “stopped providing minority language education in primary schooling”. It is now illegal.

    Mar 11 at 2:52amWeb
    Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 11

    You’re misinformed, and your sources don’t claim what you’re claiming.

    Your first source is specifically about instruction in monestaries. The second source, as davel literally just explained, is about the language of instruction, not about a language being exclusive.

    You can criticize those things if you like, but the idea that China has banned the language outright, or even that it’s stopped teaching it in schools, is an outright lie with nothing to back it up.

    Show threadArchangel1313Mar 11

    And I think you are being intentionally obtuse, and are clearly trying to misrepresent what I’m saying.

    True, it is illegal for monks to teach Tibetan in monasteries. But that doesn’t refute my point that it is illegal. And it definitely doesn’t make your point that it isn’t. And never once did I say they were banning the language altogether…only teaching it.

    The 2nd article says exactly the same thing. I’m not sure why you think there’s some technicality that I’m not getting here, simply because it is illegal to teach minority languages…when that’s literally what I have been saying, and you have been trying to deny.

    You also claimed that this is “normal”, and that plenty of other countries do this…but they don’t. Lots of countries teach children in their primary language as a requirement. Very few make it ILLEGAL to teach children other languages. In the vast majority of countries, being taught other languages is optional and available. Not illegal.

    Show threaddavelMar 11

    I didn’t miss it. It simply isn’t true.

    It’s possible to see through the propaganda, though it does take some time & effort, which most people don’t have the time and inclination for.

    China: Tibetan monk sentenced to six years in prison for teaching Tibetan language - Lemmy

    Archived [https://web.archive.org/web/20260305215536/https://phayul.com/tibetan-monk-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-teaching-tibetan-language/] Palden Yeshi, a Tibetan monk and teacher from eastern Tibet, has reportedly been sentenced to six years in prison by Chinese authorities for teaching the Tibetan language to local children during school holidays, according to a report by the Dharamshala-based independent radio station Voice of Tibet (VoT). He was a teacher at Karze Monastery in Tehor, Karze County, and was arrested on May 17, 2021, while serving at the monastery. According to sources cited by VoT, Chinese police suddenly arrived at the monastery and detained him without prior notice, forcibly taking him away. Following his detention, authorities did not provide his family with clear information regarding the reasons for his arrest or the legal basis for the charges against him. Sources indicate that the primary reason for his detention was his efforts to teach the Tibetan language to more than 300 local children during school holidays. The classes were reportedly organized for young students from nearby communities who wished to learn Tibetan reading and writing. Chinese authorities are believed to have deemed these voluntary language lessons illegal. […] In related news, China bars Tibetan government employees from religious rites and family funerals [https://web.archive.org/web/20260306223806/https://phayul.com/china-bars-tibetan-government-employees-from-religious-rites-and-family-funerals/]. Tibetans employed in government positions have been strictly forbidden from engaging in religious practices. While they are technically allowed to visit major religious sites such as the Jokhang Temple (Tsuglakhang) and the Potala Palace during Losar, their presence is limited to sightseeing purposes only. They are expressly prohibited from offering prayers, making ritual offerings, performing prostrations, or displaying any other forms of religious devotion. Authorities reportedly warned that such acts would constitute violations of Communist Party discipline. The restrictions extend into private family life. Government employees are said to be barred not only from participating in public religious ceremonies but also from attending last rites, weekly memorial prayer services, and cremation rituals for their own deceased relatives. A Lhasa resident told TT that even the traditional seventh-day prayers for the departed cannot be attended by those in state employment. […]