HotznplotznMar 10

China: Tibetan monk sentenced to six years in prison for teaching Tibetan language

https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/52067784

China: Tibetan monk sentenced to six years in prison for teaching Tibetan language - SDF Chatter

Archived [https://web.archive.org/web/20260305215536/https://phayul.com/tibetan-monk-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-teaching-tibetan-language/] Palden Yeshi, a Tibetan monk and teacher from eastern Tibet, has reportedly been sentenced to six years in prison by Chinese authorities for teaching the Tibetan language to local children during school holidays, according to a report by the Dharamshala-based independent radio station Voice of Tibet (VoT). He was a teacher at Karze Monastery in Tehor, Karze County, and was arrested on May 17, 2021, while serving at the monastery. According to sources cited by VoT, Chinese police suddenly arrived at the monastery and detained him without prior notice, forcibly taking him away. Following his detention, authorities did not provide his family with clear information regarding the reasons for his arrest or the legal basis for the charges against him. Sources indicate that the primary reason for his detention was his efforts to teach the Tibetan language to more than 300 local children during school holidays. The classes were reportedly organized for young students from nearby communities who wished to learn Tibetan reading and writing. Chinese authorities are believed to have deemed these voluntary language lessons illegal. […] In related news, China bars Tibetan government employees from religious rites and family funerals [https://web.archive.org/web/20260306223806/https://phayul.com/china-bars-tibetan-government-employees-from-religious-rites-and-family-funerals/]. Tibetans employed in government positions have been strictly forbidden from engaging in religious practices. While they are technically allowed to visit major religious sites such as the Jokhang Temple (Tsuglakhang) and the Potala Palace during Losar, their presence is limited to sightseeing purposes only. They are expressly prohibited from offering prayers, making ritual offerings, performing prostrations, or displaying any other forms of religious devotion. Authorities reportedly warned that such acts would constitute violations of Communist Party discipline. The restrictions extend into private family life. Government employees are said to be barred not only from participating in public religious ceremonies but also from attending last rites, weekly memorial prayer services, and cremation rituals for their own deceased relatives. A Lhasa resident told TT that even the traditional seventh-day prayers for the departed cannot be attended by those in state employment. […]

Show threadArchangel1313
Who says China is an authoritarian regime? You can’t prove that. /s
Mar 10 at 6:33amWeb
Show threadbazovanyiMar 10
Just saw a post about their social credit score and lots of comments telling how 90% of their population is very happy and very supportive of the government. Idk if they are bots or people believing this.
Show threadbaguettefishMar 10

to be fair the social credit score as it is imagined by westerners with AIs tracking your every move to make a number go up or down that determines your standing in society is fiction. What does exist are two separate systems; one for creditworthiness like all creditworthiness systems around the world and another system that leaves you on a blacklist if you intentionally don’t pay off your debts. that system can actually prevent you from taking high speed rail (among other things i can’t remember), and some people who are not very aware of the world may have gotten into debt, didn’t notice, didn’t pay their debts, got blacklisted and only noticed when they tried to take the high speed rail somewhere.

to be fair to critics of china too, this (meaning this lemmy post and other political persecution up to possible genocide) is absolutely terrible and inexcusable. i sincerely detest nationalism, but that’s what the ccp leadership wants, using many means, and I can’t square that circle.

Show threadHotznplotznMar 10

the social credit score as it is imagined by westerners with AIs tracking your every move to make a number go up or down that determines your standing in society is fiction.

No, it isn’t fiction. It is real.

Every Chinese citizen gets a score, to which points are added or deducted depending on individual everyday actions.

The system rewards citizens based on their accumulated “score,” which basically reflects their alignment with state-approved values. A high score grants valuable incentives and preferential access to public services. For example, citizens with good credit may be exempt from paying deposits when using public hospitals or libraries, receive discounts on public transportation, and benefit from streamlined processes for certain international visas. Conversely, acts like running a red light or jaywalking can result in public shaming and a loss of points.

Based on this social credit system, the Chinese population is divided into 4 classes of citizens, depending on your score.

There is a documentary by a French journalist and his (Chinese) wife who were living in China’s capital Beijing. The documentary has been made in 2023, but there is an edited version from 2025 (I watched the film back in 2023 and also the 2025 version; as far as I remember, the 2025 edits reflect the role of AI in the system).

Here is a YT link: Life Under China’s Social Credit System: A Dystopian Reality?

Here an alternative Invidious link: inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=p19nYrjZ1dQ

The documentary lasts 52 minutes.

@[email protected]

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Life Under China’s Social Credit System: A Dystopian Reality? | Investigate Asia

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Show threadbaguettefishMar 10

I just read more about it, specifically here: thechinaproject.com/…/how-chinas-laws-and-social-… from 2022, and it seems at the time there were pilot projects to do something like a real social credit score system.

What it really is, is sort of a regulatory credit check system. It’s primarily aimed at businesses, not at individuals. And social credit is pretty routinely defined as a measure of people’s compliance with laws and legal obligations. So, it’s not a holistic measure of all your behavior. It’s not an algorithmic formulation based on what you did online, what you bought, who your friends are, what you said, what you posted about. It measures whether or not you’ve received administrative punishments, criminal punishments, whether you’ve applied for permits, or a registered a business, things like this.

So, most of the information going into it is what they call public credit information, which is information created or collected by the government in the course of its normal business. So that’s to say that the creation of the idea of the Social Credit System didn’t involve collecting much more information.

What it did involve was sharing information between regulatory agencies, and they’re now making it so that if you violated say a food safety law… In the past, you might… The food safety regulators would know that that had happened, but it’s now available for the public to see in most cases. And also, other regulatory agencies will see this.

What I strongly disagree with though is the dramatized and biased view your video approaches the topic with. Analyzing these things should be sober, not like that. I couldn’t watch past the first few seconds. “Do we have no privacy? (in response to filming themselves for a year) We don’t have any anyway (to point out the evil state monitoring their every move)”

How China’s laws and social credit system actually work, explained by Jeremy Daum – The China Project

Jeremy Daum, a scholar of Chinese law who runs the China Law Translate website, appeared on the Sinica Podcast to discuss common misconceptions about legal systems in China.

The China Project
Show threadHotznplotznMar 10
Watch the documentary. Each individual gets a score, and this score changes depending on your behaviour and the everyday decision you make - what you drink you buy, what food you eat. Whatever the party deems as desired or undesired behaviour, the score is increased or decreased.
Show threadbaguettefishMar 10
I will probably do that. But do you realize that the first app she opens isn’t from the state? It’s sesame credit from alibaba/alipay. It’s a private bonus credit thing from a private company. It has nothing to do with the state.
Show threadHotznplotznMar 10

Dude, each single app she has on her phone is from a private company. The state doesn’t even have an app, and it doesn’t need one.

To paraphrase what the documentary says: The private companies are creating the apps, but the Chinese party-state makes the recipes. And the state has access to every single piece of information. The state decides what happens with the data, and what ‘features’ are added. The party gets what it wants.

That’s what the documentary explains explicitly.

It’s an Orwellian nightmare.

Show threadbaguettefishMar 10
I see
Show threaddobenMar 10

You just had a conversation with an account that specializes in western propaganda against China and Russia, the two big adversaries of the USA.

@[email protected] as well as several other accounts do exactly that, by only posting explicitly anti-China and anti-Russia articles, often from the most obscure sources. Daily.

As with this post, it‘s US propaganda and financed by the CIA run Voice of Tibet as outlined here.

@Hotznplotzn - SDF Chatter

Lemmy

Show threaddavelMar 11
Previously: 3½ years of anti-China & anti-Russia news posts by several similar Lemmy accounts
3½ years of anti-China & anti-Russia news posts by several similar Lemmy accounts - Lemmy

What they seem to have in common is: - Way more posts than comments. - Almost exclusively posting news articles. - The vast majority of the articles are critical of Russia or China. - Virtually always posting to the same few communities. Often there’s overlap in the communities the accounts target. - Consistent weekly output. | Username | Start | End | |-|-|-| | [email protected] [https://beehaw.org/u/[email protected]] | May 2022 | Dec. 2024 | | [email protected] [https://lemmy.ml/u/[email protected]] | Apr. 2023 | Jun. 2024 | | [email protected] [https://lemmy.ml/u/[email protected]] | Apr. 2024 | Jan. 2025 | | [email protected] [https://feddit.org/u/[email protected]] | Jun. 2024 | Dec. 2024 | | [email protected] [https://slrpnk.net/u/[email protected]] | Jan. 2025 | Apr. 2025 | | @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://scribe.disroot.org/u/randomname] | Jan. 2025 | – | | @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.sdf.org/u/Hotznplotzn] | Jan. 2025 | – | | @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://scribe.disroot.org/u/Scotty] | Aug. 2025 | – | | @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://mander.xyz/u/Sepia] | Nov. 2025 | – | |[email protected] [https://scribe.disroot.org/u/tardigrade]|Nov 2025|-| — FYI, @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmygrad.ml/u/haui], you had this to say back in June on [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/europe], before the post was removed by a mod: >OP is one of their propagandists from the looks of it. Please look at the post history and report if you see a pattern. [https://archive.ph/2025.11.30-003310/https://indigo-roll-mpkh.pagedrop.io/%23comment-19410323#comment-19410323] — [Edited to update links for [email protected] and and the archived post] [Edited to add new account, [email protected]]

Show threadSanctusMar 10
You cant even accurately track this much data with sensors, cameras, and APIs shoved into literally every corner of everywhere. This is impossible to do based on a general “every action.”
Show threadHotznplotznMar 11
Watch the documentary. The state observes any move you make.
Show threadSanctusMar 11
They dont have any cameras or devices in their house we dont have.
Show thread☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆Mar 11
life is gonna get so hard for sinophobic fash like you going forward, and I’m here for it
Show threaddavelMar 10
OP is just doing their job as an anti-China power poster.
3½ years of anti-China & anti-Russia news posts by several similar Lemmy accounts - Lemmy

What they seem to have in common is: - Way more posts than comments. - Almost exclusively posting news articles. - The vast majority of the articles are critical of Russia or China. - Virtually always posting to the same few communities. Often there’s overlap in the communities the accounts target. - Consistent weekly output. | Username | Start | End | |-|-|-| | [email protected] [https://beehaw.org/u/[email protected]] | May 2022 | Dec. 2024 | | [email protected] [https://lemmy.ml/u/[email protected]] | Apr. 2023 | Jun. 2024 | | [email protected] [https://lemmy.ml/u/[email protected]] | Apr. 2024 | Jan. 2025 | | [email protected] [https://feddit.org/u/[email protected]] | Jun. 2024 | Dec. 2024 | | [email protected] [https://slrpnk.net/u/[email protected]] | Jan. 2025 | Apr. 2025 | | @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://scribe.disroot.org/u/randomname] | Jan. 2025 | – | | @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.sdf.org/u/Hotznplotzn] | Jan. 2025 | – | | @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://scribe.disroot.org/u/Scotty] | Aug. 2025 | – | | @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://mander.xyz/u/Sepia] | Nov. 2025 | – | |[email protected] [https://scribe.disroot.org/u/tardigrade]|Nov 2025|-| — FYI, @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmygrad.ml/u/haui], you had this to say back in June on [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/europe], before the post was removed by a mod: >OP is one of their propagandists from the looks of it. Please look at the post history and report if you see a pattern. [https://archive.ph/2025.11.30-003310/https://indigo-roll-mpkh.pagedrop.io/%23comment-19410323#comment-19410323] — [Edited to update links for [email protected] and and the archived post] [Edited to add new account, [email protected]]

Show threadManixTMar 11
And you do your job spreading anti-western and tankie propaganda, get off your high horse.
Show threadHotznplotznMar 10

It depends how people are asked imo. Most such surveys are done on Chinese social media or in similar surveys where individual answers can be tracked. According to polls done in China, the vast majority of citizens also agree that China is a good democracy and that they trust their government.

But what else would people say? Openly disagreeing with the government can put you in big trouble in China. It’s basically a choice between being supportive of what the government does or risking to simply disappear.

Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 10
This is just straight up lying. Anonymous polls conducted by Western sources have found the same thing.
Show threadwhiskers165Mar 11
Just admit you don’t think Asians can think for themselves. Just say you know how the Chinese feel better than they know themselves.
Show threadhowrarMar 11
Han people account for about 90% of their population. Could that be related?
Show threaddavelMar 11
Hitler was a vegetarian. Could vegetarians be Nazis?
Show threadhowrarMar 11

I don’t see how that logic follows with the Hitler example.

If the current government favours Hans over other ethnicities and heavily censors such that no one knows what’s going on outside their bubble, wouldn’t it make sense that the 90% that are being treated well would also be supportive of the government?

Show threaddavelMar 11

If

If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.

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The current government explicitly does not favor Hans: en.wikipedia.org/…/Affirmative_action_in_China

Gino D'Acampo "If my Grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike" -18th May 2010

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Show threadhowrarMar 11
Yeah, if. That’s why I ask. I’m not familiar with the way things work there, and based on this headline, I thought it was a reasonable hypothesis.
Show threadHanrahanMar 10

the UK and Australian Governments imprison climate change protestors for years…

it’s intrinsic in all governments to be authoritarian, they own the monopoly on violence

Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 10
Well, this article certainly doesn’t prove anything. It’s 100% baseless speculation.
Show threadArchangel1313Mar 10
What “proof” would you believe?
Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 10
Well, to start with, something more credible than “sources indicate” lmao. Y’all really just believe anything bad about China no matter how flimsy it is.
Show threadsin_free_for_00_daysMar 10
I believe anything bad about most countries because it’s a pretty safe default.
Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 10
I don’t believe claims made without evidence because it’s an even safer default.
Show threaddavelMar 11
That’s the goal: to convince us that, as Margaret Thatcher told us, there is no alternative to capitalism.
Show threadArchangel1313Mar 10

The man’s been missing for the last 5 years, after Chinese authorities arrested him. That’s confirmed by his family…not “unnamed sources”. So, either this report is true, and he’s been in prison the whole time…or those Chinese authorities killed him.

Which scenario do you consider more credible? Because those are the only ones that explain his absence. Up until recently, his family assumed the latter.

Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 10

The man’s been missing for the last 5 years, after Chinese authorities arrested him. That’s confirmed by his family…not “unnamed sources”.

This source doesn’t even claim he’s been “missing.”

So, either this report is true, and he’s been in prison the whole time…or those Chinese authorities killed him.

I swear, you don’t even need propaganda to make up lies to tell you, you’ll just invent the lies yourself based on nothing. Absolutely ridiculous.

Show threadArchangel1313Mar 10

Oh, ok. So, you’re just one of those lazy disbelievers, that doesn’t even bother to look into anything before dismissing it, out-of-hand? Cool. I guess it’s easier to have an uninformed opinion than it is to use Google?

I’ll do your homework for you this time, but after this, you’re going to have to start helping yourself. Or, you can just continue to make yourself look ignorant online. It’s really up to you.

Tibetan monk-teacher found jailed after China disappeared him over five years ago - Tibetan Review

(TibetanReview.net, Mar07’26) – A Tibetan monk who disappeared after being taken away by Chinese police from his monastery in an eastern part of Tibet that is now under China’s Sichuan province over five years ago has just been learnt to be serving a six-year jail sentence in Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) in western Tibet, according […]

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Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 11

“Lazy disbelievers” lmao what? That’s called reasonable skepticism. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you understood and practiced that, maybe you wouldn’t be so gullible and succeptable to propaganda.

I’ll do your homework for you this time, but after this, you’re going to have to start helping yourself

No, you’ll do your homework, since you’re the one making the claim. I don’t have to go out and find every claim that’s ever been made about Bigfoot before I’m allowed to disbelieve in him.

Note also that what I said was "this source doesn’t even claim he’s been ‘missing,’" which is true. I never said that was no source out there that claimed that.

Show threadArchangel1313Mar 11

“Reasonable skepticism” has to be accompanied by a little research. Without making any effort to investigate your opinion, then it is based entirely on your feelings, rather than facts. Even if what someone says sounds ridiculous and unbelievable…at least start from a position where you may be wrong. Test your opinion, before simply “deciding” that you know what you’re talking about.

It isn’t even hard. If you type in the guy’s name, there are dozens of different articles about him from a wide range of sources, going back years. Read several, and cross reference the claims, to see if they are even consistent. If your goal is to disprove what’s being said, it helps to know the facts. And you never know…you might find out that your initial reaction was wrong.

Or, you can just be the kind of person who doesn’t care about facts. If you’re happy having an uninformed opinion to hide behind…that’s cool too. Everyone has their limitations. Some people just don’t want to know the truth.

Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 11

Test your opinion, before simply “deciding” that you know what you’re talking about.

You ought to practice what you preach.

It isn’t even hard. If you type in the guy’s name, there are dozens of different articles about him from a wide range of sources, going back years. Read several, and cross reference the claims, to see if they are even consistent. If your goal is to disprove what’s being said, it helps to know the facts. And you never know…you might find out that your initial reaction was wrong.

Again, that’s the job of the person making the claim. All I said was that this source doesn’t claim that he was missing, which is true. If you make the claim, then it is entirely your responsibility to find a source that backs it up.

Or, you can just be the kind of person who doesn’t care about facts.

I haven’t said anything incorrect this conversation, and in fact, I have pushed for a greater degree of scrutiny into the actual facts. So it’s strange that you would say this. On what basis did you arrive at this assessment of me? The fact that I didn’t believe a claim without a source?

It’s incredibly ironic because what you’re doing here is instantly deciding to believe propaganda, and then saying I “don’t care about the facts” when I refuse to do the same without evidence. Again, you should try practicing what you preach.

Show threadArchangel1313Mar 11

You ought to practice what you preach.

I did. I typed the monk’s name into google before I even commented. Did you?

Again, that’s the job of the person making the claim. All I said was that this source doesn’t claim that he was missing, which is true.

Uh, huh. So, you’re narrowing your argument down to semantics, in order to avoid the fact that you first made this claim, yourself?

Well, this article certainly doesn’t prove anything. It’s 100% baseless speculation.

You sound pretty sure about that claim…seeing as how you included the “100%” part to emphasise just how untrue this story is. But, again…you didn’t even bother to look it up before you said it. Turns out your claim was based on “100% baseless speculation”.

I haven’t said anything incorrect this conversation, and in fact, I have pushed for a greater degree of scrutiny into the actual facts.

Except that you entered this conversation stating your opinion as if it were a fact…which was in itself, incorrect. I was the one “pushing for a greater degree of scrutiny” from you.

It’s incredibly ironic…

You’re telling me.

…because what you’re doing here is instantly deciding to believe propaganda, and then saying I “don’t care about the facts” when I refuse to do the same without evidence. Again, you should try practicing what you preach.

Man, if you could only see how much projection is stuffed into this paragraph, you would blush. You’re basically telling on yourself…but either lack the self awareness to see it, or just the integrity to admit it.

Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 11

I did. I typed the monk’s name into google before I even commented.

Then why didn’t you provide a source that actually said the thing you claimed, as is your responsibility when you make a claim?

Did you?

Yes, actually, I did. I didn’t see a source that I recognized so I treated them all skeptically and continue to do so.

Not that I had any responsibility to. Because all I said was that this source does not say that the person went “missing,” which is both objectively true, and does not require looking at any other sources to say confidently.

You sound pretty sure about that claim…seeing as how you included the “100%” part to emphasise just how untrue this story is. But, again…you didn’t even bother to look it up before you said it. Turns out your claim was based on “100% baseless speculation”.

Yes, I was sure about that claim because it’s correct and I stand by it. The article is full of “sources indicate” and “are believed to” and things like that. No further research is required to dismiss this specific article as baseless speculation.

Except that you entered this conversation stating your opinion as if it were a fact…which was in itself, incorrect

That’s because what I stated is not an opinion, it is a fact, and a correct fact. You have said absolutely nothing to show that it’s incorrect. Again, “sources indicate” and “are believed to” are baseless speculation. If there’s evidence for those claims, this isn’t it.

Man, if you could only see how much projection is stuffed into this paragraph, you would blush. You’re basically telling on yourself…but either lack the self awareness to see it, or just the integrity to admit it.

That’s you, not me. I don’t know how you got it into your head that blindly believing “sources indicate” is somehow the rational position, but it absolutely is not. You are the only one blindly believing claims and insisting everyone else should do the same without a shred of evidence, I am the one pushing back against that.

Rationality and skepticism go straight out the window for you the moment China is mentioned.

Show threadArchangel1313Mar 11
Lol! Wow. Dude, you’re trying way too hard to sound like you have a valid argument here. I would respond to it all, point for point…but it’s becoming clear that you are either being intentionally dishonest, or you simply haven’t bothered reading any of my previous comments. And if you aren’t going to argue in good faith, then I won’t bother.
Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 11

What have I said that’s in any way dishonest or indicates bad faith or that I haven’t read your comments?

You’re just proving my point. Any sort of reasonable skepticism, any scrutiny whatsoever, applied to negative claims about China, gets dismissed and automatically labelled as “bad faith” or “dishonest,” and it’s expected that I blindly believe whatever I’m told, even if the only evidence provided is “sources indicate” and “are believed to have.”

Show threaddavelMar 11

Why would the Chinese state “disappear” someone for teaching Tibetan when the same Chinese state funds public schools to teach Tibetan, just as it does for Cantonese, Uyghur, and many other regional languages?

What’s very convenient for telling us these stories is that we live far away from China and can’t read or understand any of those languages, so we’ve got nothing to go on but what our governments, corporations, and NGOs tell us. Getting information any other way requires significant time & effort, which few can afford and even fewer are inclined to do thanks to more than a century of anticommunist propaganda.

The next convenient, orthodox excuse that’s reliably used is that it’s impossible to investigate because China is wily, secretive, and duplicitous. Another non-falsifiable claim that panders to preconceptions planted by a lifetime of anticommunist propaganda.

Who’s going to investigate whether this person actually was “disappeared” for decades? Who has the time & resources to verify every such story, when the imperial core has the resources to crank out dozens of slop stories every day, which @[email protected] and his “friends” dutifully post every day?

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Show threadArchangel1313Mar 11

Why would the Chinese state “disappear” someone for teaching Tibetan when the same Chinese state funds public schools to teach Tibetan, just as it does for Cantonese, Uyghur, and many other regional languages?

That’s not true, at all. It has been official Chinese policy for years now, that the teaching of Tibetan was outlawed. This is all a part of China’s “sinicization” efforts to “unify Chinese culture”. This has been expanded more recently to include all of China…not just Tibet.

Why is China so terrified of Tibetan language classes? – Central Tibetan Administration

By Sang Jieja The notice warns that monks, monasteries offering free lessons to children during winter break will be punished The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) recently banned Tibetan monasteries from offering Tibetan language classes, prompting international human rights organizations to reques

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Show threaddavelMar 11

The law will require ethnic minorities to use Mandarin Chinese as their main language of instruction

  • It’s very common worldwide for there to be a standard, lingua franfa language for education in multilingual countries, which is most countries. Are you going to excoriate France as well, which has been much more suppressive of regional languages than China? The entire southern third of France used to speak Occitan, and now very few are left who even understand it.
  • The use of Mandarin is not exclusive; it’s only mandatory. China has not stopped providing minority language education in primary schooling.
    • Show threadArchangel1313Mar 11

    I think you missed the part where teaching minority languages is now being “criminalized” in mainland China…and has been illegal for some time now, in Tibet.

    That is vastly different than simply having a standardized curriculum. Being able to speak those languages may not technically be a crime. But, teaching them to younger generations, is. You will go to prison for violating these laws. By definition, that absolutely counts as “stopped providing minority language education in primary schooling”. It is now illegal.

    Show threadOBJECTION!Mar 11

    You’re misinformed, and your sources don’t claim what you’re claiming.

    Your first source is specifically about instruction in monestaries. The second source, as davel literally just explained, is about the language of instruction, not about a language being exclusive.

    You can criticize those things if you like, but the idea that China has banned the language outright, or even that it’s stopped teaching it in schools, is an outright lie with nothing to back it up.

    Show threadArchangel1313Mar 11

    And I think you are being intentionally obtuse, and are clearly trying to misrepresent what I’m saying.

    True, it is illegal for monks to teach Tibetan in monasteries. But that doesn’t refute my point that it is illegal. And it definitely doesn’t make your point that it isn’t. And never once did I say they were banning the language altogether…only teaching it.

    The 2nd article says exactly the same thing. I’m not sure why you think there’s some technicality that I’m not getting here, simply because it is illegal to teach minority languages…when that’s literally what I have been saying, and you have been trying to deny.

    You also claimed that this is “normal”, and that plenty of other countries do this…but they don’t. Lots of countries teach children in their primary language as a requirement. Very few make it ILLEGAL to teach children other languages. In the vast majority of countries, being taught other languages is optional and available. Not illegal.

    Show threaddavelMar 11

    I didn’t miss it. It simply isn’t true.

    It’s possible to see through the propaganda, though it does take some time & effort, which most people don’t have the time and inclination for.

    China: Tibetan monk sentenced to six years in prison for teaching Tibetan language - Lemmy

    Archived [https://web.archive.org/web/20260305215536/https://phayul.com/tibetan-monk-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-teaching-tibetan-language/] Palden Yeshi, a Tibetan monk and teacher from eastern Tibet, has reportedly been sentenced to six years in prison by Chinese authorities for teaching the Tibetan language to local children during school holidays, according to a report by the Dharamshala-based independent radio station Voice of Tibet (VoT). He was a teacher at Karze Monastery in Tehor, Karze County, and was arrested on May 17, 2021, while serving at the monastery. According to sources cited by VoT, Chinese police suddenly arrived at the monastery and detained him without prior notice, forcibly taking him away. Following his detention, authorities did not provide his family with clear information regarding the reasons for his arrest or the legal basis for the charges against him. Sources indicate that the primary reason for his detention was his efforts to teach the Tibetan language to more than 300 local children during school holidays. The classes were reportedly organized for young students from nearby communities who wished to learn Tibetan reading and writing. Chinese authorities are believed to have deemed these voluntary language lessons illegal. […] In related news, China bars Tibetan government employees from religious rites and family funerals [https://web.archive.org/web/20260306223806/https://phayul.com/china-bars-tibetan-government-employees-from-religious-rites-and-family-funerals/]. Tibetans employed in government positions have been strictly forbidden from engaging in religious practices. While they are technically allowed to visit major religious sites such as the Jokhang Temple (Tsuglakhang) and the Potala Palace during Losar, their presence is limited to sightseeing purposes only. They are expressly prohibited from offering prayers, making ritual offerings, performing prostrations, or displaying any other forms of religious devotion. Authorities reportedly warned that such acts would constitute violations of Communist Party discipline. The restrictions extend into private family life. Government employees are said to be barred not only from participating in public religious ceremonies but also from attending last rites, weekly memorial prayer services, and cremation rituals for their own deceased relatives. A Lhasa resident told TT that even the traditional seventh-day prayers for the departed cannot be attended by those in state employment. […]

    Show threadflaminglegMar 11

    it was either illegal or legal to teach those kids that ‘forbidden’ language. I don’t really care about what an unnamed source believes to be. It’s not like you can’t just look laws up or ask officials for comment.

    No smoke, no fire.