Oh, this is curious, apparently the Polish railway regulator, UTK, has released last month results of their own research comparing railway ticket prices on some important domestic railway routes in European countries (Polish only, though): https://utk.gov.pl/pl/dokumenty-i-formularze/opracowania-urzedu-tran/22843,Jak-droga-jest-kolej-pasazerska-w-Europie-Analiza-danych-w-wybranych-krajach-eur.html

The cover has a Thalys photo on it, to start with a small laugh, I guess

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Czy podróżowanie koleją po Europie jest drogie?

Urząd Transportu Kolejowego

So, what happened in Hungary in 2024?

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Okay, so the methodology for the core price comparison (this is meant to show the wisdom of Open Access, is it) is that they took the one of the most important domestic routes in each country, looked at the highest-category trains, on midweek Tuesday-Thursday dates in November-mid-December, between 8 and 10 AM. They compared prices 30 days ahead (Polish booking horizon yay) and 1 day ahead, in 2nd class or whatever equivalent could be found, non-refundable where that was an option, converted to Euros.
Now, the choice of routes is… kinda interesting. (trains divided as in original report)
PL - EIP Warsaw-Kraków (who would've guessed - please keep in mind that those are significantly more expensive than other trains in Poland)
High-speed:
FR - TGV InOui Paris-Marseille
ES - AVE Madrid-Barcelona
IT - FR Rome-Milan
SE - Snabbtåg Stockholm-Gothenburg
TR - YHT Ankara-İstanbul
Non-high-speed:
DE - ICE Berlin-Hamburg (how much are you willing to bet they picked this one specifically to avoid what high-speed rail Germany does have?)
CH - IC Zurich-Geneva
FI - IC Helsinki-Tampere
HU - IC Budapest-Debrecen
GB - London-Birmigham (I'm not going to call it an IC like they do)
AT - EC Vienna-Graz (predates Koralmbahn)
CZ - EC Prague-Brno (so in these two cases they've clearly opted to avoid routes with developed open access competition… But not in Spain or Sweden?)

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@HaTetsu Any price comparison methodology based on cherry-picked examples is doomed to be highly biased. Reminds me of the Greenpeace piece last year (https://www.greenpeace.org/eu-unit/issues/climate-energy/47717/low-cost-flights-up-to-26-times-cheaper-than-trains/).

For an accurate comparison we need a holistic price database, but as we often discuss here in the #bahnbubble that requires strong open data regulation 😉

Low-cost flights up to 26 times cheaper than trains - Greenpeace European Unit

Brussels, 21 August 2025 – A new Europe-wide Greenpeace study shows that climate-damaging flying is still cheaper than taking the train on a majority of  cross-border routes – even though…

Greenpeace European Unit
@cycling_on_rails Yeah, and looks like they specifically looked only in the "off-peak" direction, so to speak