Gun manufacturers are having a great year.

https://lemmy.world/post/44042758

Yeah you’re right, instead I should trust that the police will use restraint, arrive instantly, and do the right thing 🤡
A dog is much better protection than a gun.
Dogs get shot.

Life isn’t a video game.

Ask a real world security professional and they’ll tell you to get a dog.

A gun salesman will tell you that if you buy a gun you automatically become Annie Oakley

We don’t know that. It might be, and unfortunately I think who ever is playing has gotten bored.

I think we’re talking two different things. I’m not saying to buy a giant handgun and wait for robbers to come into your house so you can blast them away.

I’ve known people who fantasize about that. They are gross.

What I’m saying is that the police in the United States have a history of shooting dogs, so they do absolutely nothing for you anti-fascist security. They would absolutely help against theft and robbery because most robbers want to be quick and quiet. Police don’t care.

But so a gun doesn’t help either. It just means they call SWAT and take you down with superior numbers and firepower, doesn’t it?
I have a dog. I’m also surrounded by fascists in the deep south. I’m keeping guns because I’d rather live than die for some abstract moral point you’re trying to make about how we should live in a fantasy land where people in fascists states don’t need guns. 

What you mean, you don’t want your tombstone to read “Died by blunt-force trauma from an unregulated militia sweeping homes, but at least kept to true to civility and good manners, and that’s what matters most.”?

Haha just kidding, you won’t get a tombstone, they have ovens for that.

Ask a real world security professional and they’ll tell you to get a dog.

I am a (former) real world security professional.

And I’ll say that a gun is much easier to carry around with you than a dog.

I taught my gun to walk, now I don’t have to carry it anymore :D
What exactly do you think we’re arming to defend against? Roving bands of goblins? Crackheads? Do you even read the news? Do you understand politics at all and the consequences? Do you KNOW that nations have fallen to authoritarians in the past, or does that seem like more “nothing ever happens” daydreaming and worldbuilding?

Look up MOVE.

Philadelphia police bombed a house in the middle of the city.

If it comes to an armed conflict, I really doubt that the folks who couldn’t get Bernie nominated are going to win a firefight.

Stop living in videogame land.

Stop living in videogame land.

If that’s how you think this works, you’re the one with the vision of some video game firefight. We are arming up as a message, not because we think we will win against a military force. But so that if electoral politics fails, we have power to back up our resistance. “Door-to-door meat grinder” is the worst five words any military leader wants to hear and we need to make that the standard our political currency is built on.

The whole fucking reason that the hardline conservatives in the US have taken so goddamn much ground and got their clown messiah elected is exactly because they understand we don’t live in a star-trek utopia and have embraced POWER to back up their demands, they carry the flag and own guns and declare their willingness to fight for the things they want.

What are YOU doing? Asking for civil discourse? What era do you think we’re entering? Get your head out of your ass and understand that people braver than you are willing to fight for the same thing you want, so you get to decide what role you play in getting there.

Nothing your wrote makes me think you could handle an actual gunfight.
that is a stupid reply, I’m not engaging anymore and won’t see another brain-dead reply. I hope you never have to worry about this and would kindly prefer you keep your stupid-hole closed when adults are talking about these matters.
Nothing you wrote makes me think you could handle a face to face discussion
So what’s your plan? Just give in?

“I think we should run into the cannon’s mouth and choke the enemy with our dead.”

“That sounds like an awful plan.”

“So what’s your plan, just give in??”

I didn’t say that. I’m just a passerby reading your conversation and noticing that you haven’t put any ideas forward.

I’m just a passerby reading your comment.

You’re obviously following the issue.

What’s your plan?

To keep living in Canada and keep my gun license up to date in case your country’s bullshit leaks all the way over.

Not my first choice. I never wanted a gun. Now what are your ideas?

Frist step is to call out any idiot who thinks that life is a video game and they can just buy a gun and instantly overthrow the 0.01%

I’ll just go ahead and ignore your not-so-clever-or-subtle insults and deflection. What’s after that? What are you doing to help?

Let’s hear some ideas, because trust me, no one wants it to come to violence, but the other side has already murdered people. So what’s the plan?

We’re still on Step One.

Any ideas how to help us? Because you’re wrong, a lot of people think violence is the only thing that will work

Well, I’ve abandoned spending money on anything American.

I don’t know what else I could do, as a working class Canadian, so I’ve taken training and purchased a firearm as a last resort in preparation for the worst.

Aren’t there supposed to be checks and balances? The biggest thing would be to vote in your primaries and the election, I guess. Currently, contact your elected officials and ask them why the fuck they’re letting all this happen. Do everything you can through the proper channels before resorting to violence.

But if they won’t play by the rules and come for you, then I don’t think you need to play by the rules either. Telling people they’re wrong for preparing for the worst isn’t helpful.

Telling people they’re wrong for preparing for the worst isn’t helpful.

“There’s a chance of an earthquake. You should store tons of unstable explosives in your basement. That’s the best way to prepare!”

Well I hope you enjoy your time in the gulag because I’d rather be fucking dead.

Let’s hear some ideas, because trust me, no one wants it to come to violence,

Your words.

So, no one wants it to come to violence, but violence is inevitable because you say so?

I’m safer facing the enemy alone, than in a mob of untrained wanna-be Annie Oakleys

Yes yes you’ve made it clear that you’re a coward. Have a good one.

You’re the one who ran away to Canada while insisting other people buy guns to fight.

You are unintentionally hilarious, which is the best kind of hilarious.

I ran away to the place I was born? 😆

Give your nuts a tug there, bud