SkavauStarfleet Academy Director Jonathan Frakes Says Fan Hate Is ‘Dimensionally More Painful’ Today Than in the Next Generation Years
Fuck conservatives.
Boomer Humor DoomergodAnd specifically fuck them for making so much noise about representation that actual criticism gets drowned out.
I’m worried that the creators will think anyone who doesn’t like the show has a worthless opinion and won’t learn and improve, and may even double down.
Exactly, us woke people should be demanding better woke representation in media, not this superficial bullshit in modern Trek.
That’s my problem in a nutshell. I have no problem with woke material when done will, but i utterly detest this fake virtue signaling. It’s the exact same tripe as every fucking company having a rainbow flag on their Twitter account for the month of June. It’s performative, obvious, and infuriating that more can’t see how insulting it truly is.
Go away
I am asking a serious question? Does this show actually have any fans?
The show is an utter mess. Has found its fans or is this just more of the notion that Trek fans all supposed to line up when another of these Trek messes are released?
I am asking a serious question, Does this show actually have any fans?
Yes it does.
nocturneYou may have dropped right before it _really_started paying off.
I just love how people trash nu trek then confess they haven’t even actually listened to half of it.
You say you hate Discovery, did you actually actively watched it? Like, ALL the episodes?
That’s not a “serious question”. It’s personal judgement framed in a way as to suggest it’s the obvious conclusion of any rational person, to the point it’s insulting to the show and anyone who does like it. It’s bullying behavior that only serves to poison attempts at actual discussion.
So I’ll echo the other user and say - go away.
Random_Character_AYes. There are also people that like to lick buttholes and smell farts.
Fluff off.
I watched a couple episodes and they took the parts I liked the least about Discovery and made a whole show about them.
I concluded it’s not really made for me so I’m rewatching Lower Decks
Can you please elaborate a bit more, because I really didn’t like discovery and I don’t want to be disappointed again.
It’s much more focused on the emotional development and relationships between the characters. Academy feels like a teen drama, which isn’t something I liked even when I was a teenager.
Thx. I get it. Not for me either.
But I’m not worried. For sure something gritty and political will be made at some point in the future.
There’s still Strange New Worlds, which is one of my absolute favorites. Especially the musical episode.
Academy is basically Hogwarts in Space.
Thx.
That’s exactly what the showrunners were going for.
which is why Star Trek needs new showrunners.
I think one of the problems a lot of franchises face is that there’s one, singular showrunner.
Why not open it up to multiple people, all able to tell different stories the way they want? Let a million Star Trek flowers bloom, I say.
As long as they keep the spirit of Star Trek, which barely any of the modern shows do.
Lol yeah, this comment just confirms that you only watched half of it.
With the exception of the Section 31 movie, everything they’ve made has been better than Discovery.
Academy is certainly different but I think it stands well on its own merits, including good character work, respectful use of existing canon, and a strong emotional core.
eh, i think Academy is pretty much on par with discovery.
Academy has the best elements of every single series to date.
It’s not perfect—nothing is—but it’s impressively good and enjoyable. Yes, there are some quieter or seemingly “boring” moments from time to time, but these are usually when you need to pay attention, as they pay off big time soon after.
That being said, —and this isn’t necessarily aimed towards you personally— if you’re the kind to snub an entire series barely 5 min into it after mindlessly watching while doomscrolling, then repeatedly trashing it online to justify your lack of interest, then, no, it will not satisfy you, just like nothing else will.
I noped out after 5 episodes. They just got progressively worse to the point of irritation. So I skimmed the episode summaries for the rest of the season and saw
spoilerthe finale is yet another “save the entire federation” type of plot and knew it wasn’t worth wasting any more time on.
So you watched 5 episodes—half the season only, and come here to give your opinion on the matter of whether the entire series is good or not?
And you dare put the season’s big cliffhanger with spoiler on top of it?
I rest my case your honor.
Apparently it continues the story of Discovery so a lot of people don’t like it for that reason.
It is much better then Discovery, but has to work in the universe discovery created. I like it more than Picard. More or less on the same level as SNW in terms of quality. Episode 2 and 3 were bad to me, but all other episodes after that were progressively more enjoyable to very good. Episode 6 makes a boring looking antagonist better to the point I would argue it is the best we got after ENT.
Katherine 🪴I think the problem is that the internet is more prevalent and mainstream than back then. Like newsgroups could be downright toxic, but the majority of fans didn’t see them.
When I was watching TNG, it was either at my dads house watching it on television or discussing it with my friends in school.
This. TNG would trigger conservatives if it were in today.
Remember when Ricker feel in love with the non-binary alien and they had a whole discussion about pronouns? It’s been thirty years and these guys still aren’t over shit like that.
Yeah, the only reason there wasn’t a concerted anti-woke campaign against Trek back then was the technology just didn’t exist to enable people with minority opinions like that to easily find each other.
Still, they were there. I remember some BBS Trek guys being “that guy” at a few Trek conventions in the 90s, they were just usually solo or in tiny groups.
Hell, TOS triggered them. The problem is that they’re all anybody hears these days.
Imagine if TNG season 1 got bad reviews but because of the tone of the reviews they didn’t bother changing anything. It wouldn’t have gotten better.
TNG actually DID get reactions like that, but they were on little newsgroup boards and shit where only serious nerds saw it. The whole origin of “i remember when startrek wasn’t for hippies/feminists/gays/liberals/etc.” sentiment originates with TNG criticism.
It was just as stupid then as it is now, but now we all apparently have to hear it.
I know, I’ve been to
alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die. But imagine if those nerds were used as an excuse not to change course. What if they said “Frakes, you can’t grow your beard or those nerds win.”
When fucking who???
The internet for the common man didn’t even exist in 1987. By the time TNG went off the air, it was still largely AOL chat rooms.
DS9 and Voyager were the shows for the online generation.
🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞The internet for the common man didn’t even exist in 1987.
True, although the internet is slightly older than most (or at least many) realize: 1989 saw the first internet company with access to the public. One of the services offered was access to Usenet. And before that, BBSes has started to offer Usenet access.
Of course, the internet didn’t really explode until around 1996, I’d say. But it was growing before that.
Not invalidating your point. I think this stuff is interesting. :)
I think the problem is that a lot of the current Trek shows are poorly written and waste good casts. Programmable matter? Dumb. “I swallowed my combadge”? Barf. A crying alien is the answer to why every starship in the universe suddenly explodes? Just awful.
Disco had is problems, but SFA is really a solid series and honestly I would rank it over SNW in quality. Have you actually seen it instead of complaining about minor details (the combadge, I agree that the burn was idiotic but that ship sailed with disco already)
Self-proclaimed Star Trek fans gatekeeping the universe so hard that they hurt Jonathan Frakes makes me irrationally angry.
He’s one of the few genuinely good ones. Don’t be like that.
They’re not fans. It’s just shameless, mindless profiteering using the “hate gets more clicks” dogma that the incompetent media outfits have adopted as a mainstream.
There are legitimate problems with the show, as there are with all new shows. But all the assholes complaining about “wokeness” drown it out.
I don’t even like the show, but there are ways to be critical of someone’s work without being so mean that you cause them to make a public statement about it.
90% of people on the internet don’t even know what tact is anymore, and it definitely shows.
90% of people on the internet don’t even know what tact is anymore,
I no wat it is, dumass, when people tact me for stating my FIRST MENDMENT RIGHTS^[/s… please don’t tell me I need the /s… :)]
'Merica didn’t git to be back to back World War Champs by caring about FEELINGS!
khannieMaybe because Academy (after an already long run of very mediocre Trek) is much worse than TNG.
I liked the last episode more than any other in the season, despite it being maybe the least Star Trek one?
Previous one was ridiculous. Oh, these “kids” are traumatised by a bad experience? Let’s fix that with theatre! All together, 'cause of course everyone can heal with the same “therapy”.
I still hope this series can turn out to be good, after all TNG itself didn’t start out great. But it seems they want to bash you over the head with emotions and ideas, rather than make you feel and develop them yourself.
As someone who desperately wanted to go to Starfleet Academy most of his life: These are not the elite kids I thought would be in it.
“I swallowed my comm badge” is something a toddler would say, not a Starfleet Cadet.
That’s not an opinion you actually hold. You’re obviously saying that to generate “hate clicks.”