Mastodawn

@skye At least the AI shit is optional (at least, atm).

I saw Laracon EU, thankfully, online as could switch away/skip during the AI masturbation talks.. but as much as Laravel has been my bread n butter for the past decade, IMO, the whole framework/ecosystem is slipping right now, especially since the VC input and now with AI.

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Skye Mar 8

@ianh That just about matches my situation and feelings about the future of Laravel as a "platform" yeah.

I'm just a bit at a loss as to where to go next. There doesn't seem to be an obvious framework to move to that shares the pragmatism and "batteries included" approach of Laravel without also being an AI-drunk mess.

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Ian.H Mar 8

@skye That's where I am too. I came from Smarty templating to Zend (1 then 2) and onto Laravel 5.1. Symfony doesn't do it for me, too much "code by config". Tempest might be something to try.

I'm somewhat considering a bigger change and going full-on down the Go route for backend, but that's obviously not all in 'batteries included', but might be a nice change to something different.

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Erin Dalzell (He/Him) 🇨🇦

@ianh @skye tempest was built by a laravel person, it looks nice. https://tempestphp.com/

Tempest, the PHP framework that gets out of your way

Tempest is a modern framework designed to enable developers to write as little framework-specific code as possible, so that they can focus on application code instead.