RE: https://mastodon.social/@timberwraith/116191646270427702

I've read a bit more about why some people in the trans community want to focus more on the material aspects and impacts of undergoing medical transition (HRT primarily) and this appears to also be a way of making *some* trans people's experiences more legible to cis people by pointing out that HRT and other medical procedures actually changes one's sexual characteristics.

(I'm not going to link to the original thread I'm addressing because this is someone I blocked a little while ago.)

[sigh] OK, this is a can full of worms, isn't it?

Here are my main points:

1) As someone who has been around for a bit, I'll point out that no matter *how* you try to reframe trans people's experiences, no matter what language you use, no matter what labels and designations you adopt, their impact NEVER really lasts.

Cis people, or significant subsets of them, always shift the goal posts of legitimacy in their eyes as to what makes a person "real." You can't make yourself more legible to someone who has no desire to open their eyes and see you in the first place.

If this is about helping *yourself* to be more legible to what YOU understand as female/male/non-binary/etc. experience as a gendered/sexed human being, then do that. As long as you aren't stepping on some other trans person's existence in the process, go ahead and reframe how you see yourself and your experiences in ways that make them more legible *to* *you*.

I certainly have done this. And I stayed off the "mainstream path" of my own particular communities to find my own ways to understand myself as a woman and that was extremely helpful.

I'll note that when trans people are exploring ways to make our experiences more legible to cis people, there is often a deeper underlying struggle to find ways to make our lives more legible to ourselves because we've internalized the malignancy of cis people's prejudicial views of trans/non-binary/etc. people.

2) When you do this, I'd advise that you seek a paradigm/understanding of yourself that builds for resiliency and solidity, that you seek out understandings of yourself that very specifically rip cis people's meddling, abusive fingers from your core of self. Because right now, if you're on this path of seeking understanding, that's probably because cis people, in some way, still have their fingers inside of you, and are hurting you.

Do this in a way that permanently BREAKS those fingers.

3) I'm not sure that centering your understanding and sense of womanhood/manhood/personhood/gender/sex on a medical resource that can be ripped away at any time by cis people and the state is really the best way to go.

If you center your understanding of self & being upon something like HRT, then by gosh, you can be SURE that cis people will put every resource they can into taking that from you.

Collectively, their intent is to control you, hurt you, & bend you to THEIR understanding & will.

I'm a person who likes to keep her ammo dry and all of the guns loaded. My goal has always been to search for points of vulnerability and seal them up with well fortified defenses.

[sigh] I know that war metaphors aren't the best thing but let's be real. Cis people, collectively, and cis people who pull the levers of the state, are trying to incur as high a body count among us as possible.

They want us dead.

Build good defenses.

And I don't wish to hand cis people, collectively speaking, and the cis state in particular, a ready made weapon that they can use to disassemble who I am from the inside out.

I don't base my understanding of my self, my femininity, and my womanhood, on the pills I take every morning.

I know, I feel, I AM something deeper than that. Something deeper than a medicine or a scalpel can touch.

But it took a long time to build that sense of solidity.

And it's not easy to build that kind of solidity because cis culture and cis people have spent your entire life trying to dissolve and destroy who you are, from the inside out, and from the outside in.

I know this is not easy. Cis people want us to conform and become them... or die.

Just be careful. Try to avoid walking down pathways which give THEM easier access to hurting you.

Even if it feels like a tempting solution in the heat of the moment.

"Not just in a sense of trans & meds either."

Right?

An example:

All of the youthful qualities of strength, beauty, fertility, sexuality, etc. that our culture's Hollywood sensibilities base manhood/womanhood/etc. upon fade with the passing of years.

When those physically centered aspects leech away under time's ministrations, are we no longer men or women or whatever our gendered understanding of self once said we were?

Why build castles on foundations of an hourglass's sand?

RE: https://mastodon.social/@Kalshann/116194929452812770

As @Kalshann has alluded to, it's not great for trans people OR cis people, or anyone, to base their sense of gender, sex, or other core aspects of their identity and self on transient, malleable physical qualities.

Qualities that one might observe as being only exterior and superficial, even.

And this brings forth another matter:

I think the fact that trans people have acquired ways of shifting physical aspects of self that cis people HAVE taken for granted as a solid basis for defining self, is utterly and truly fucking with a lot of cis people's assumptions surrounding sex/gender.

It's quite threatening that trans people's shapeshifting has called into question the solidity of many cis people's understanding of a core aspect of their selves as being unchangeable & unchallengeable

Part of cis people's violent pushback against trans people is that our existence has fucked with THEIR understanding of themselves.

And isn't that something?

Score one for us, LOL.

@timberwraith

The more people who can break free of the binary trap, the better. Just wish it didn't come with a side order of Nazis trying to murder us.

@timberwraith Sounds like a skill issue tbh. It's okay to do introspection about your gender and decide you're fine where you are. It's also fine to decide the same labels are still fitting but that who you really are means you present differently or change physical characteristics to reflect that. Maybe I'm desensitised because I had to do it while being attacked at all sides for daring to still breathe.
@timberwraith
The fact that cis people have been personally, deeply shaken by my problems, our problems, is what sustains me. 😂

@timberwraith yeah

I think this also explains why so many people fall for the bullshit about trans women playing sports

I played multiple sports in high school and college, pre-transition. they were all coed. no one ever considered that unfair in any way (and the girls were perfectly capable of holding their own against the boys)

but so many people blindly insist that (despite all the evidence saying we don't have any meaningful physical advantages) trans women playing women's sports is inherently unfair

and I'm pretty sure that's because we "[call] into question the solidity of many cis people's understanding of a core aspect of their selves as being unchangeable & unchallengeable" as you put it

as I said before:

a lot of people just can't accept that a doctor writing "male" on your birth certificate does not in fact confer you with a magical immutable essence of (physical) superiority