I love how even in the 80s, the joke doesn't misgender her once the transformation has happened.

@CosmickTrigger

Perhaps because back then it was thought of as simply a few cases of people changing from a stereotypical man to a stereotypical woman, or vice versa. I think the scariest part for transphobes is people rejecting the sexual or gender stereotypes altogether.

@the5thColumnist

This is interesting to me. I'm not even trans, but I reject the stereotypes. I do maleness my own way. I wonder if I'm scary to them when they learn that. Or maybe it's just the visual stereotypes that matter?

@CosmickTrigger

@hosford42 @the5thColumnist @CosmickTrigger Obviously people can't fear what they cannot see, so visual stereotypes do matter, but looking visibly trans is not the only thing evoking patriarchy's ire. At the end of the day, patriarchy is a system of control and anyone who doesn't perfectly fulfill the role it decided upon is marginalized (or subalternized to use the technical philosophy term), so if you do maleness your own way – even if it's very similar to what you're supposed to do – then you're a target and share a struggle with us.

(This is of course not to say that there isn't a very real material difference between people who seem conforming (as is apparently the case for you), people who could conform if they chose to (like me), and people who even if their life depended on it (as it often does…) cannot conform (like trans and non-binary people with very strong gender identities), but we're still on the same side of the battle.)

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@zvavybir @hosford42 @CosmickTrigger

I like to think I do not completely confirm to the macho stereotype of maleness even thought I was designated male at birth and think of myself as (cisgender) male.

@the5thColumnist @CosmickTrigger To the degree that the trans panic wasn’t completely astroturfed…
@the5thColumnist @CosmickTrigger I won't say it didn't happen, because I haven't the full context, but I will say that it seems unlikely, given Hef (and his magazine) spent many of their column inches encouraging young men to reject the strict gender roles their parents (who were Boomers, some of them former hippies) had by the 80s largely embraced.
@CosmickTrigger
playboy was quite pro-trans. there were a few slips, but they mostly were a good ally.
@CosmickTrigger think this is the first trans joke that was actually funny and made me laugh

@Weebism

There is one from Brandy Bryant where she goes: "People accuse trans women of transitioning so they can beat up women, but if that's what we wanted to do we wouldn't have transitioned, we'd have just become cops"

@CosmickTrigger @pgcd We really need to remember that we _regressed_ rather significantly in important ways. We don't always move forward on things!

@aredridel @pgcd

Absolutely. Abortion rights. Cops are even more murderous and evil and racist now than they were 70s plus they're armed and outfitted like they're about to storm Normandy. In the 70s and 80s musicians broke gender norms all the time with artists like Bowie, Motley Crue, Prince, New York Dolls, Annie Lennox, Grace Jones, Boy George, etc.