IsocatSpoken aloud: "Some highschool kids get high".
The "high" vowel is the same in both
They're different
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CM Harrington@isocat The sound is the same but I tend to extend the latter for a little bit. You could also say the former is clipped. Same sound, different duration.
@octothorpe The vowels aren't the same for me. Both diphthongs, but not the same one. The 'high" vowel in "high" by itself is ah-ee, but in "high school" it's uh-ee, same as in "rice" and "nice" and "splice".
The Cambridge Dictionary does not show a phonetic symbol for my uh-ee diphthong; it has only the ah-ee one, exemplified by "eye", and that's the one it shows for "high", "rice", "nice", and "splice". Wikipedia has a chart giving that same ah-ee diphthong for both "lied" (uses ah-ee in my speech) and "light" (uh-ee in my speech). And the more I look, the more sources I find saying uh-ee is not one of the eight English diphthongs.
I'm not going to start pronouncing "light" as though the vowel were the same as in "pride". It just ain't!
πΈππππππ₯ ππ π¦πππ€ π@isocat @octothorpe @troublewithwords
There are many different varieties of English. The description you give suggests what is often referred to in linguistics as βCanadian raisingβ (before [s], e.g., also βrightβ vs. βrideβ -- how about for you?). It's not just Canadian, though. Let's appreciate such diversity!
There are many different varieties of English. The description you give suggests what is often referred to in linguistics as βCanadian raisingβ (before [s], e.g., also βrightβ vs. βrideβ -- how about for you?). It's not just Canadian, though. Let's appreciate such diversity!
@ancientsounds I'm not quite sure I understand your query. "right" is uh-ee and "ride" is ah-ee for me, with or without [s] involved.
Also: "ice wine" has two different vowels (uh-ee, ah-ee).
@isocat @octothorpe @troublewithwords
Sorry, I was being overly specific when mentioning [s]. The key factor is said to be whether the following consonant is voiceless (s, f, t, p, k) or voiced (z, v, d, b, l, nasals etc). To test this theory, I'm gonna predict that you may say rice, rife, ripe, hike with βuh-eeβ [ΚΙͺ] and rise, arrive, jibe, rile, rhyme with βah-eeβ [ΙΙͺ]. Right (ruh-eet)?
(You're right of course that dictionaries don't show such details in their transcriptions.)
Right, but it's not a clean division; "sider" is [ΙΙͺ] and "cider" is [ΚΙͺ] despite the voiced consonant, and likewise "rider" is [ΙΙͺ] and "Ryder" (an American truck-rental outfit) is [ΚΙͺ].
@isocat @octothorpe @troublewithwords
Wow, that's a really interesting additional wrinkle! Looks like word structure (suffix -er, or not) and/or syllable structure may also be involved. Deserving of further study, not that I have the resources to do it