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@sitcom_nemesis perhaps worth noting that pretty much any GPLed thing is likely to be slop free. You either need a restrictive license or a tight governance model (like BSD OSes). Perhaps there's evidence otherwise but I don't think so at this point. A lot of permissive projects are unsurprisingly adopting vibecoding.

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@swannodette I wish! Linux is GPL but explicitly allows AI contributions: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst#attribution

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@sitcom_nemesis @swannodette and Emacs is considering it…

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@mirabilos @sitcom_nemesis can Emacs can consider anything like that independent of the FSF? (I'm probably totally ignorant here, but I thought not?)

@sitcom_nemesis @swannodette I’ve just seen a thread about it on Fedi yesterday, I’ll leave the details to the GNUs (I’m strongly on the "copycentre" side, but with quite a harsh anti-slop stance in the licence interpretation guidelines).

Just saying a licence won’t save you if the heart isn’t behind it.

The MirOS Licence (MirBSD)

@mirabilos @sitcom_nemesis well we should be aware that what people say on Fedi is not necessarily what is going on. My impression from following the discussions on GNUs lists is that no FSF project can incorporate significant LLM coded patches at this time. So License + Governance + stance is a nice way to umbrella many projects at once from slop.

@sitcom_nemesis @swannodette it contains links to more infos and ML threads. I just skimmed it, as GNU Emacs is of no interest to me.

@mirabilos @sitcom_nemesis well if you're not interested then don't assume anything :) details / facts are important. There's a lot of fear-mongering going around and that is also not good.

@sitcom_nemesis @swannodette I just need to point out that licence is nowhere even near a usabke indicator. There is a lot of resistence on the BSD side as well (although sadly not uniform across all BSDs either).

Absence of emoji in the documentation is honestly a better indicator.

Governance… I want to say yes but it isn’t true either, see Debian, see Linux, even OpenBSD leans towards judging on technical merits only.

@sitcom_nemesis @swannodette Just because I did not follow one thread to the end does not make my "hold up, check this first, your assumption is untrue" invalid. You can follow it.

@swannodette @sitcom_nemesis took me a bit to find a reference to one of the original threads; https://yap.zyd.lol/@zyd/statuses/01KK1ZQ6A421JVYHZ4B1GPC2V3 (both thread and linked-to) are related, if you want to have a look at original sources

@mirabilos hrm takes me to a status I can't see?

@swannodette ooooh, gotta love the fediverse… https://social.cyberia9.org/notes/ajiof31dsh8800ab is some random point inside the thread with a webview, if that helps

notptr (@notptr)

@[email protected] already made a local copy of emacs and I'm still going to be using sbcl 2.6.1 for now. RE: RE: https://mastodon.social/@lhp/116182144641052701 I will actually lose my shit if Emacs starts accepting LLM contributions. Please, let me enjoy just one damn program. Aaaaaaaaaa #emacs

Ghosts of Lain - Cyberia 9

@mirabilos yeah I read that thread the other day. Not much substance then or now. 100% less FUD here https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2026-03/msg00032.html GNU/FSF hasn't yet defined a policy so GNU/FSF projects are avoiding generative stuff. I suspect the obvious copyright issues will more or less prevent inclusion.

[RFC] Pros and cons of using LLM for patches beyond simple copyright (wa

@swannodette I sure hope so.