Maddy 🏳️‍⚧️ - ADHD-powered Mar 4
GrapheneOS: Talks shit about Fairphone and their 'ancient' hardware on socials, not considering them as an option at all.

Also GrapheneOS: Partners with Motorola/Lenovo despite more devices in their lineup having relatively mediocre chipsets than not.
Show threadF3715HMar 6

@maddy I think @GrapheneOS are just sellouts at this point...

I don't trust any phone and just have a "#StupidPhone" I can rip out the battery and dump into a faraday bag into my fridge.

That does way more in terms of security...

Show threadGrapheneOSMar 6
@F3715H @maddy No money has changed hands between us and Motorola and we specifically said we don't want devices sold with GrapheneOS to have a significantly higher price so that we can get significant funding from it. It will be possible to install GrapheneOS on the devices for free. How is it selling out to work with a company where they improve their devices to meet our requirements and they get to earn more money while what we get are more devices meeting our requirements for our users?
Show threadF3715HMar 6

@GrapheneOS @maddy unless Motorola were to offer #GrapheneOS on all their current devices, that's easy to workaround.

Given that they sell sub - €250 devices brand new without any SIM- or Net-Lock, they'll obviously only gonna care about their high-end flagships that are 4-digits.

https://www.alditalk.de/motorola?q=-sk-2406-smartphones-motorola&pageSize=30&sort=products_price-asc#

motorola Smartphones bei ALDI TALK | ALDI TALK

motorola Smartphones bei ALDI TALK

Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 6

@F3715H m8 stop wasting your time with @GrapheneOS...

They made it very clear in the past that they don't give a damn, and are #Stallman-Style extremists that go full "My way or Highway!" on anything.

@maddy

Show threadthomas

@kkarhan
At least Stallman positioned himself firmly against remote attestation, whereas Graphene apparently want to lock the user out of their own device just as eagerly as Google.

@F3715H @GrapheneOS @maddy

Mar 6 at 10:45pmWeb
Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 6

@thomas well, #FSF has been griftin' with non-free hardware too...

@F3715H @GrapheneOS @maddy

Why Richard Stallman's Return to the FSF Is Not To Be Celebrated ...

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Show threadGrapheneOSMar 7

@thomas @F3715H @maddy Reality check: our hardware requirements mandate full support for installing other operating systems:

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

We advocate against apps locking out people from using arbitrary operating systems too. For apps which insist on doing it they can allowlist our signing keys for the standard Android hardware-based attestation system so we document how to do that. It requires them to do extra work beyond simply using the Play Integrity API so few apps are willing.

GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions

Answers to frequently asked questions about GrapheneOS.

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Show threadF3715HMar 7

@GrapheneOS @thomas @maddy and that alone is the problem:

The fact that we allowed Google this amount if power!
- Makes them as shit as a #Sony-branded #Symbian device which was effectively locked-out if 99,99% of all #Apps at the time.
- Seems like a major regression compared to #Desktop-#Linux to me, so I'll stick with that!

Show threadGrapheneOSMar 8

@F3715H @thomas @maddy Extremely few apps use the Play Integrity API. It's mainly only relevant to GrapheneOS users with banking/government apps and it's only around 1/10 of those apps disallowing GrapheneOS.

There are a few other apps using it such as X adding it for regular password login post-Twitter but there's an easy way to work around it by logging into the browser, making a passkey and using it to log into the app. Some variants of the McDonalds app use it. There's not really much else.