Mozilla is working on a big Firefox redesign, here is what it looks like

https://lemmy.ml/post/44126576

Mozilla is working on a big Firefox redesign, here is what it looks like - Lemmy

I hope it’s just a joke

This looks… nice actually, the settings reminds me of Microsoft Edge though
I like it too 😅 Although I’d prefer to be able to reduce the spacing as much as possible
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I wasn’t that interested in rounded corners for a while, but I do see some value in it now. When it’s done well, the UI becomes more usable and intuitive. The problem is when a lot of GUIs do it poorly in order to be trendy.

It helps with the grouping of visual elements for one, for Gestalt reasons

Zen browser has iterated to something pretty good now: zen-browser.app

The Firefox redesign screenshot from the article has a few issues imo. The floating task bar doesn’t make sense to me, since that’s a core part of the program. The other items are either attached or contained within it, it shouldn’t be isolated off like that. Otherwise yea, too much wasted space

Zen Browser

Beautifully designed, privacy-focused, and packed with features.

Ah, no, the “taskbar” is Tree Style Tabs, usually full of tabs. But screenshoting that here, i could as well post my browsing history.

Or you do mean the “Awesomebar”. But then i don’t get what you mean, since i’ve just removed the borders from the urlbox & co (the reverse of them being isolated).

Ah sorry I meant the screenshots from the article, I should have specified.

I like yours. Best for me would be something with that layout and spacing, and modern design elements

I really like it, I feel like it fixes some of the issues with groups and tabs looking a bit weird currently. Lol, I always like Firefox redesigns and really cannot understand how people go apeshit when that happens. I swear some people would use NetScape GUI if they could.

While I agree overall it looks nice, I hate gaps and rounded corners. I’m sick of wasted space. And I’m sick of rounded corners.

I swear some people would use NetScape GUI if they could.

Now that would actually be nice!!

i think the space is the same but its just camouflaged to look like it’s wasted, maybe we should count the pixels tho
I don’t think pixel count would be a fair comparison for a 30 year old browser. You used to actually be able to count all the pixels back then.

I swear some people would use NetScape GUI if they could.

do you actually use it? lol is that even possible without everything breaking?

yes and yes

it’s a custom build of seamonkey (the continuation of the mozilla suite/classic netscape) using pale moon’s goanna engine.

works well enough for most sites, the browser itself is super modular and useful (it has a really strong addon ecosystem courtesy of seamonkey and pale moon’s addon libraries respectively), and honestly i just enjoy utilitarian retro UX

do you have a link? I’d like to try it out.
not yet (it’s still a bit of a work in progress) but in the future it’ll be posted here
morbidly curious abt this 👍
Don’t threaten me with a good time
So much wasted space 🤮
firefox’s photon theme uses the same amount of space and that’s without the menubar enabled ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No thank you. I like Firefox the way it is. I hate big changes for the sake of designers keeping their jobs changing my tools and workflow and making things ugly.
Right. My sentiments exactly. Hopefully this won’t trickle its way into LibreWolf …

Ultimately I just need Firefox to always support about:config, manifest v2 compatibility, and userChrome.css and userContent.css.

That said, usually changes like these break my extremely minimal redesign and configs I have on my desktop. So… boo, Mozilla, boo…

Ultimately I just need Firefox to always support about:config, manifest v2 compatibility, and userChrome.css and userContent.css.

Isn’t userchrome.cc already deprecated for quite some time?

It’d be news to me, I’ve used the same userChrome.css and userContent.css for years now and I keep my Gentoo Linux desktop up to date with weekly updates, so the Firefox I’m using is confirmed to be the latest version.

Additionally, a quick search on ddg reveals no recent mentions nor plans for deprecation of the feature as far as I can tell.

I found this Reddit discussion

The timeline fits (pre-covid), but I got the word wrong. I thought userchrome would’ve been killed of by now.

Making sure you're not a bot!

I hope it’s just a joke

Yes, the classic Mozilla April Fools joke, released a full month early.

off by one error

the old one is fine

i don’t think the ui is your main problem, mozilla, but ok i guess.

I really hate the trend of people just randomly changing UI in apps for no apparent reason. It’s just a pervasive problem at this point.
Definitely, after the redesign i now have to read all the labels because just about everything has changed its layout
Exactly, and I get why companies do it. They generally prioritize bringing new customers on, so they tweak things because they think it’s more trendy or appealing. But for an open source project to do these things just makes no sense at all. I get the impression people running things at Mozilla are completely disconnected from what Firefox users actually want at this point.

I’m far from an expert, but Ui design as a job seems to have a huge flaw were if you eventually make the “perfect Ui” you’re suddenly out of a job.

So you’re straight up punished for doing your job well and the only way to maintain a career is to just re-invent the wheel every so often and chase the trends of others doing the same thing so your Ui designs don’t look “outdated”

That could be an aspect too.
Well, their main problem is attention. And we are looking at a news article right now.
If they just want attention maybe buying some add would be a better way to put them forward honestly. Or even trying to go on B2B custom deal for larger companies thar want a corporate experience…
There is way too much white-space in this design. I’m tired of getting higher resolution displays only to lose that resolution to applications that get chunkier.

Wow look at those default screenshots. They look horrible, what a mess.

A useless sidebar, a lot of mess in the homepage, stupid shit being pushed to you.

Everytime i install Firefox i need to do a huge config setup to remove all that useless crap

Agreed, never asked for the side bar, never gonna use it.
Its already in Firefox. Its disabled by default. They’re just showing what it looks like.
No, it’s enabled by default when you install Firefox :(
Believe it or not, they make the browser not just for you. I don’t use the sidebar either, but a colleague uses nothing but the sidebar.
God forbid the most unresponsive software dev group standardize a feature remade 4+ different ways by the community, years late
Guarantee you can turn off the sidebar. They already have this and it can be disabled. Why not use it for three seconds? I despise the Mozilla NGO stuff ruining Firefox but this is utterly benign. Dynamic colors are cute and fun.

Guarantee you can turn off the sidebar.

You can. For now.

They already have this and it can be disabled. Why not use it for three seconds?

Because every now and again, it’s a new three seconds. First it was the password manager. Then Sync. Then Monitor. Then AI chatbot.Before all of that it was a bunch of other things. Then it was the side tabs. _You gotta check them out!* Now it’s this.

For me as well, I need to use the firefox profile creator website to get rid of all these things. It takes a good few minutes to configure. But for someone who may not know about the website? At least half an hour to thoroughly go through Preferences, and most things aren’t even there!

Dynamic colors are cute and fun.

Sure!

Until you try putting them on an old laptop. Because why would anyone be using an old laptop in 2025 2026? And then, how dare they expect to be able to browse the web? (Because static sites to download useful stuff apparently don’t exist, nor do people who’d like to do that which don’t know about curl).

This isn’t just a Firefox problem, it’s a global one. Instead of functionality, what’s preferred is aesthetics. Instead of accessiblity, how accessible able people feel it is. Instead of performance, bloat.

Most of these things could be optional, Firefox Approved First-party add-ons or integrations, but this isn’t the route this timeline has taken.

You can. For now.

my god you’re right, they’ve sold out to Big Sidebar. the problem with their Sync is that it has no self-hostable e2ee option and you need to use Firefox servers that use Google stuff. comparing apples and rotten oranges most of this is silly

Yeah, because for Windows, when you accidentally hover over the weather widget for 0.5 ms longer than some programmer decided will force you to connect to MSN.

Mozilla is clearly immune to analytics and took a hard stance that didn’t and will never change, so pardon me for entertaining your thought.

Because the Sync icon won’t become a auto-opening popup from Big Sidebar, because tge designers won’t come up with the brilliant idea

  • Hey, how can we make the numbers seem like more people are using MSN (or Sync)?
  • Just open it whenever an unlucky soul hovers over it accidentally. They have 50ms to run across it if they really don’t want to use it!
  • Wow, what a great idea!

This talk at M$ can never happen at Mozilla, from what we’ve seen in the past 5+ years.

This isn’t ideologcal creep that can be forestalled by purism and hatred of sidebars 😭 the corporate side of Mozilla with push that stuff whether or not you complain about the occasional good thing they do. Please get a grip

One of the most irritating things about their management is these delays, the worst of which can be seen with Thunderbird/Betterbird situation. Community has been waiting years for shit that was already fixes to be added & they won’t add QA testers

I know it’s not the designers’ fault (at least not completely).

They’re part of the problem.

But I see no problem in bashing bad design, because if no one does, Corporate is gonna continue doing what they do. People need to speak about their wishes. Sure, most won’t be heeded, but what other way do you suggest for me (and most others in the thread) to do? Like this we at least have our little echo chamber to shit in.

It’s not about the sidebar, but what it represents. It’s a symptom of a larger problem - one you’ve correctly identified, yet do nothing about. I’m at least being a brat about it. Maybe if enough people complain, someone “in power” might get an idea as well.

I would argue this kind of blanket condemnation of Mozilla Doing Anything could be used by the Google opps in the org to justify adding more “premium features” that make money (but really don’t) instead of improving the goddamned browser and convince them we are not worth considering anyways, which WILL kill the browser. The default launcher on one of my ereaders has a fucking dead Pocket button and you think I’m not pissed off at this lol

Look, it’s not that I bash Mozilla because they did “something”. It’s because of what that something is. If it were a useful change, I’d welcome it.

For example, I used to use chrome some 5+ years ago. Before that, I was on Firefox. What exactly made me switch back and forth exactly I don’t remember, but I know that now I plan on continuing to use Firefox, because it is the sensible choice as far as user rights go. Before, I wasn’t concerned with that as much, but I should’ve been.

In any case, I don’t like the way Firefox does History. I’d be happy to see them copy Chrome in that regard. An entire webpage and not a sidebar, with groups, nicely laid out, etc.

Bookmarks could also be way better. Bookmarks are even jankier. If they were to copy any sensible file manager (including but not limited to Windows Explorer pre-Windows 11), I’d be happy.

Both of these would be big projects for designers and developers alike. Both of these would make a meaningful positive impact on Firefox. Making another redesign like Mozilla does - changing the exact same things every few years - lost its meaning after the 3rd time.

I love the new on-device translation option. Sure, I’ve had a lot of laughs when it failed (and it did so spectacularily). Yet by now, it’s a polished feature, and I don’t rememberthem getting too bashed for the little hiccups they did have while it was still being polished.

I support (the idea of) Mozilla. I just don’t the leadership, and the decisions. I feel both are terribly misguided.

The way Mozilla does stuff, I feel it’s more of a “wrong clock twice right” type of situation with them than them striking off every once in a while. For every good and meaningful change, I can bet there were at least 5 bad (if not terrible) ones. But I didn’t do a quantitative analysis so I guess that takes away my right to complain.

That being said, I feel this is something people often forget:

When you complain, it’s an act of love. Okay, not always, but bear with me for a bit. If you support a cause (say, a free, open and independent browser), you’re gonna be sad to see it fail. And when you do, you’re gonna wanr to do something about it. Unfortunately for some, that something is only to complain. They know no true way of making meaningful change, so they shout the issues hoping someone takes care of them in their stead: not because you want it to fail, but because you don’t. You’ll shout from the top of your lungs why what you feel is wrong is wrong, and suggest what you thing should be done to make it right.

And that’s what I am. Someone who doesn’t know what else to do.

Now, as I don’t know anyone at Mozilla and as my few feature requests and bug reports seemingly went unnoticed (emphasis on “seemingly”), I’ve come to the conclusion that my time is better spent in discussions with fellow users.

These discussions just might be read by someone who could trigger a change. But that’s only part of the equation.

Speaking up myself, I also hope to push others into taking similar action themselves. If enough people parrot it, someone important enough is bound to hear it.

It’s about building not community per se, but expectations. If we don’t have high expectations, stagnation soon follows. And from stagnation, rolling downhill. It’s a reality of human society itself.

If you don’t have a clear vision, your company will fail. That’s what’s taught at an MBA. But turn your viewpoint just a bit - if we, users, set expectation, we can guide the decisionmakers. And they should also be aware of us (what with a bunch of them having done an MBA) and proactively do surveys, UI experiments, etc. but that takes money and time.

Mozilla clearly has the resources, what with wasting resources on yet another (by now traditional) redesign. I just feel that these resources can (and threfore, should) be used (admittedly, a lot) more effectively than they currently are.

And this makes me genuinely sad. And I genuinely want Mozilla to stop making (what I, and a bunch of their other users feel are) bad decisions. Because I (or we) like Firefox.

I want Manifest v2 to stay. I like uBlock Origin. I support open-source. And I’d be extremely sad to see Firefox leave that equation (among other things). As do many others, for many other things. And the pessimist in me can clearly see a future where Firefox stopes being one of the grat stars of the Open source constellation. And I’d be very happy if such a future doesn’t ever come to fruition. Yet as things stand now, it could happen in a very imaginable single and swift U-turn.

And I feel this is what Mozilla should strive to do. Not just “yet another (bad) redesign.”

And after a while, you fall into the trap of cynicism (like me). It becomes personal, and you take harder and harder bashes at the percieved “evildoers”. Because, people can and do do evil with good intentions. And it’s sad to see it happen.

There’s also the dimension of strawmanning people in hopes of making them see the strawman and avoid it - so, the point isn’t to make them look bad to others, but to themselves. Paint them as the big bad villain, so they loudly exclaim they’re nothing like the villain.

Hey write this up for them, it’s constructive, I have zero leverage over them & I agree with you that redesign time could be better spent on other stuff (although it’s not as if one dev is necessarily better off reskilling and reorienting for it & this may not cost as much momentum as it appears), it’s overall an issue of the browser being under siege.

I probably went too far in framing misconstructed feedback as the primary culprit when the important issue is how they process it + contributions.

AFAIK, Thunderbird isn’t a Mozilla product anymore. They are an independent team.
Ah thx right right I forgot how it’s all laid out now exactly, it really is a similar way of handling feedback + contributions though. I’ve taken some space from those discussions since they straight up wormhole me back to a bad emotional place 🤣 I wasted so much effort on Mozilla as a kid, it was like a direct transition from video game forums + modding
As much as I loved firefox in the early days - i find it so slow compared to just about all the chrominum based offshoots ive tried. And UX wise - its just confusing to see things change constantly.
Yeah I wished there was an option to not use their new look… I’ve just had the up dated look on android and honestly don’t like it. I’ll get tmuse to it but you know it’s just a question of time.
Please don’t AI…

Unfortunately, style in the GUI means a lot these days. If you don’t match what MacOS and Windows are doing, your software will look old and unappealing.

Changing Firefox is risky because you can lose current users, but necessary if you want new people.

You know, the whole reason why GIMP eventually added single window mode is because people didn’t like the multi-window thing that they were doing. Did Mozilla fire all of their good design people after COVID? Hope this one gets dropped.

For the love of Odin can I please get a title and menu bar.

When you have tabs across the screen where would you click and hold to drag the window?