This is in a PR where Shougo, another long-time contributor, communicates entirely in walls of unparseable AI slop text: https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413
What a pathetic state after decades of active, thoughtful work. "I asked the chatbot how to write this code", "Well, I asked my chatbot, and "he" doesn't like it". What a fucking embarrassment.
Summary Add setrepeat() and getrepeat() functions to allow scripts to programmatically control the dot (.) repeat command. This enables plugins to: Save and restore the repeat command Make custom ...
> Thank you for the detailed feedback! I've addressed all the issues:
> Thank you for the feedback! I agree that following the Vim 8+ naming convention makes sense.
> Thank you for the feedback on naming!
> Thanks for the suggestion! After thinking about this more, I believe repeat_set() / repeat_get() is the right choice:
> Thank you for the feedback. A brief clarification.
This isn't even rewriting his own thoughts in whatever bland style the chatbot can muster, it's just dumping people's comments into the bot and copy-pasting whatever it shits out.
This is The Future that boosters want: An endless bikeshedding session where agreeable chatbots trade excessively polite thank-yous and screenfuls of bullet-pointed lists. A bunch of children, getting paid to play around with tamagotchis.
What a bleak fucking future to dream of.
@eljojo @AndrewRadev "I don’t mind AI writing code for you"
you really should
@penny @dirtside maybe we can go straight to basics: I'll start by saying I don't believe in copyright. I know it's necessary in today's world, but I'm personally opposed to it. I think it's a true reflection of capitalism and this world is much more worse off because of it than without.
Regarding AI, I believe there's a distinction between the theoretical technology and the current companies that deploy popular models. As well as downstream effects caused by them.
@amymagdalena are you open to having an actual conversation about this? or you just want to vent?
as a long time programmer, I legitimately don't understand why out of the sudden everyone started caring about which tools you used to write code
@eljojo All of a sudden? It’s been 3 years of slopfest now after a few years of shitty copilot autocomplete prior. And no, this is not similar to old instances of code automation cause they didn’t do all the logic for you, at most they gave you a bunch of boilerplate to fill in. So why did no one care, cause the tool was a keyboard and a brain and some generator scripts made by people with keyboards and brains, not a suped up Markov chain made without care.
And the reason people aren’t open minded with this with you, because you’re a long term programmer talking about something that has been clearly shitty for years, you should simply know better.
@amymagdalena regardless of "when it began", the bigger point is: why care about the tools I use to write code? shouldn't the code itself be what matters?
saying that people aren't open-minded because I simply should know better is also a bit silly, everyone has a different starting point for everything in life, you can't blame me for not knowing what you do.
I clearly am trying to fight AI slop myself, I published code about it on github, it's not like i've been living under a rock.
@amymagdalena I claim to write the code because I publish it under my name. I made the git commit. I take responsibility over it. If I hadn't logged into my computer, the code wouldn't exist. What else is necessary for me to claim ownership over it?
I'm a long term programmer, but that doesn't mean I'm supposed to know or experienced with equal degree everything you know. It's not fair to be shitty just because you don't agree with my current opinion.
There's literal javascript in the repo.
@amymagdalena I use AI because it allows me to do more, I don't have to write the physical lines, just review them. This is huge.
This is what I do at work (review code written by others), I'm a Staff Developer
@amymagdalena I could say many things about you that don't surprise me, but I'l hold on the judgement.
I'm not a PM, what makes you say that?
I'm a software developer, Production Engineering actually. Here's a talk I gave a few years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFESn51YHIQ
@eljojo A PM that was given a different title so as he could pretend he hadn’t retired from the profession, soothing his ego. :)
And yeah there’s JavaScript in the file, that we can assume from your statements you didn’t write. And violating the tenet of not putting JavaScript in config files.
@amymagdalena you're literally saying that the title of "Staff Developer" doesn't exist, and it's no different than being a product manager? L O L
As I told you, at work what I do is review other people's code, direct their architecture. The PMs are in charge of product, I don't touch that. My expertise is purely in building scalable code.
Today is my last day at Shopify. I joined in 2016 and had the time of my life, great engineering and people, they brought me to Canada and for that I’ll be eternally grateful. But they’re also proudly hosting swastikas for sale, taking the idea of “make commerce better for everyone” a little too literal, at any cost. It pains me to leave this way but I can’t let my name be associated with this in good conscience. If you want to sell Swastikas online, Shopify will be happy to facilitate that.
@amymagdalena what you're saying is a cargo-culted rule that applies in many cases, but it's not a universal rule that must be followed.
this is my code structured for my pleasure, why wouldn't it be exactly where I want it to be?
plus, as I said, there's reasons for it: the github action doesn't have to check out the repo whenever it runs, which makes it more resilient to errors and faster overall. for such a small action that never changes, the benefit outweights the costs.
intentional
@amymagdalena this is btw what sets architects apart, this is what my job is, in case it hasn't clicked yet.
I take engineers who cargo cult solutions and see if they actually apply to the context they're running in.
AI wanted it to be a separate file just like you did. You were both wrong. I'm glad I caught it.
@amymagdalena also, why deflect the conversation and turn it about me?
You still can't explain why AI guarantees bad code
@amymagdalena you jumped the thread where I asked why people shouldn't use AI, and started calling it "AI Gruel". You made your opinion on the subject very clear.
Let me ask you: Do you think qualified engineers can use AI to produce production-ready code?
@eljojo @dirtside I don’t either, but here, I will give you a copypaste of my most recent spiel and then politely, I will block you when I believe it’s been received because I don’t really want to know you at this time
it’s all stolen but I don’t even care about copyright, it’s an existential threat to the internet and to society that is funded by billionaires who hate us
It exists only to cause harm and if you get anything out of it you are only enabling and reaping that harm
I also think by the nature of information theory llms can only digest information and lower the entropy floor- anything they output is worse than what they ingested, anything they remove is destroyed
@eljojo @goose hi! Could you share some commits of yours which are heavily vibe coded?
I look for some non trivial code examples as so far whenever I use AI its generating me well only simple snipets. Anything greater than one file quickly piles up to shit and I have to reject it.
The same goes to pickup the architecture or design patterns. Usually AI generates me quite some trash. Fyi; I dont use claude but mostly open models which has waay less parameters. Thanks!
@eljojo thanks! Could you ellaborate what was your workflow while buildingit? Have you made it with one readme file as description for AI or had to generate code function by function?
It looks really impressive.
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