AaronMar 6
Re: Proton drama

I'm increasingly convinced the way forwards, for data services in general, is the co-op model. The customers are the owners, basically. People in the US like me might understand the Credit Union model for banking - except for email, for "cloud" anything, etc.

I have the skill to self host email, and honestly, I actively enjoy doing it. EXCEPT the end user support - I don't want to answer calls configuring Outlook, for example.

But the amount of effort I'm putting in for my single email address would be the same for 1,000 email addresses all routed to different people. Add one more human like me, effects multiply, maybe 10,000.

... maybe we need coops to employ people like me for the benefit of the members. Not just for email - for your Plex. Your Wordpress. Your Nextcloud. Your Discord knockoff.

This would be so much more meaningful of a job than my Fortune 500 paycheck provides. Sign me the fuck up. I might even take a pay cut.
Show threadAaron
For the email case OpenDKIM and OpenDMARC are the bare fucking minimum and need a shitload of work.

DNSSEC is required but I'm covered there; needs to be released after some cleanup. That said, despite doing no cryptography myself and merely calling BIND's DNSSEC tools, Soatoak will probably be very disappointed in me.

Actual SMTP is a solved problem. Just use Postfix. Seriously. Put Sendmail and Exim out to pasture. OpenSMTPD has promise but last I played with it, it wasn't there yet - just use Postfix.

I deliberately omitted qmail because running that is like connecting Windows XP to the modern internet without a firewall. You deserve what you'll get - not just getting p0wned, everyone shunning you for making their lives worse.
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Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsMar 6
@aaron It's kinda funny to me that you should mention qmail here, and in a - in my opinion partially deservèd - negative light, as I'm a peripheral part of a community that tries to patch #qmail to make it at least minimum-standard secure and usable. #lang_en
Show threadAaronMar 6
@ellenor2000 I was a beliver in a past life.

Spent too much time in the past decade alone unfucking qmail installs too flooded with spam to operate.

And some of them were patched for big queue support! The "Silly qmail" problem I think it was called.

Loved the ethos. But even the community maintained distributions are too far behind what is expected of a modern mail server.
Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsMar 6

@aaron Silly qmail syndrome? This thing? https://qmail.jms1.net/silly-qmail.shtml

I haven't looked closely into Postfix (which for reasons only I know I *also* use), but I believe it's not vulnerable to an analogous silly postfix syndrome. #lang_en

The "silly qmail syndrome"

Show threadAaronMar 6
@ellenor2000 Yep, I think that's it. Without the fix, 5,000 messages in queue effectively locked up qmail. With those patches, 12,000 caused a "slowage" as said employer called it.

I've personally seen Postfix shrug off 35,000 emails in queue without loss of performance. It simply structures it's queue differently.

And, I apologize, I'm not trying to start a fight or debate software on it's merits.

I'm not trying to insult something you feel passionate about; I simply have not seen a version of qmail that I would consider able to be end user production on the modern internet, instead of a hobbyist expirement. I am open to being proven wrong.
Show threadtararntulaMar 6

@aaron
If a coop like this existed, I'd gladly deal with calls while learning to contribute more.

But this list of tools seems like a good place to start messing around/reading about.

Show threadAaronMar 6
@tararntula I'm not just willing to be a mentor - I WANT to be a mentor.

I'm not a graybeard. I don't know everything. But I know enough.