CurlyWurlies4AllMar 5

40% of teenage boys believe women lie about domestic and sexual violence: new research

https://slrpnk.net/post/34929961

40% of teenage boys believe women lie about domestic and sexual violence: new research - SLRPNK

Support for violence to resist feminism was highest among adolescent boys (28%), followed closely by adolescent girls (21%). Perhaps most alarming: roughly 40% of boys aged 13 to 17 agreed that women lie about domestic and sexual violence. These results raise crucial questions going forward. We don’t yet know how these views have changed over time, whether they are on the rise and what the links are between violent extremism and the negative treatment of women.

Show threadNath

Holy engagement bait, Batman! What a terrible headline.

Yes, it is a fact that women lie about domestic and sexual violence. I’ve seen first-hand a family seriously impacted by a false accusation. The son was detained in prison for a year, the parents took out a mortgage on their home to defend the case and finally the girl admitted in court that she fabricated the whole thing. The son was acquitted. These cases happen. Here’s a fairly broad paper on the matter discussing several deeper studies spanning several countries including Australia, Canada and the UK.

Among the seven studies that attempted some degree of scrutiny of police classifications and/or applied a definition of false reporting at least similar to that of the IACP, the rate of false reporting, given the many sources of potential variation in findings, is relatively consistent:

  • 2.1% (Heenan & Murray, 2006)
  • 2.5% (Kelly et al., 2005)
  • 3.0% (McCahill et al., 1979)
  • 5.9% (the present study)
  • 6.8% (Lonsway & Archambault, 2008)
  • 8.3% (Grace et al., 1992)
  • 10.3% (Clark & Lewis, 1977)
  • 10.9% (Harris & Grace, 1999)

With that out of the way, let’s move on to the elephant in the room:

IN OVER 90% OF CASES, THE RAPES WERE CREDIBLE! FALSE ACCUSATIONS ARE THE EXCEPTION!!

Mar 6 at 3:35amWeb
Show threadozymandiasMar 6

this is why i hate the “believe women” thing….
the problem was people not believing women by default… that’s objectively terrible.
doing the exact opposite is also terrible.

(i’ve seen a false accusation too… i also know of people who were SA’d with no investigation and nobody caring)

i’ve also never heard of someone being prosecuted for a false accusation either… it’s all terrible

Show threadBratoschMar 6
Wait, I’m probably restarted for not understanding it but does the author claim that 10.9% to 2.1% is ‘consistent’?
Show threadNathMar 6

The full paper would give better context of that statement. It’s quite accessible and worth reading. The thing that is consistent across all studies, nations and decades is that false accusations are rare.

It turns out this is actually a fairly difficult topic to accurately measure if for no other reason that a lot of cases (Particularly earlier ones) boil down to ‘he said, she said’. Then there is the matter that lots of sexual assault cases go unreported - or are dropped for assorted reasons. Unreported assaults are a huge factor among certain cultural groups.

Show threadArcaneSlimeMar 6

Tbf that’s lies that make it to court, I’ve been lied about and had friends also be lied about, but the girls (we were all kids at the time) didn’t take it to court, they just tried to assassinate our character and get us shunned for life by everyone we knew without involving the system that would make them prove anything.

Thankfully in my case I had witnesses and in my buddy’s he had an alibi, but still, it’s a pretty rude thing to lie about. But I think most of the lies shake out like that, they usually don’t get reported to the actual authorities, just circulated like a rumor.

Show threadImhotepMar 6
Were there consequences for the accuser?
Show threadJasSmithMar 6
Almost nothing. Feminist organisations lobby hard to ensure there are no consequences because “it might discourage real victims from coming forward.” They don’t care how many men have their lives ruined.
Show threadTubularTittyFrogMar 6
men aren’t people to feminist organizations. they are only sources of evil, so if bad things happen to them then they deserved it anyways.
Show threadNathMar 6

So far as I know, nothing (legally). She wasn’t on trial. Something may have happened to her later, but I don’t think so. I think I’d have heard if it had.

Of course: everyone who knew her knew about the whole case and its outcome. It would be an inaccurate statement to say she faced no consequences at all. Everyone - male and female alike, was furious with her. And I expect the story follows her around 20 years later whenever anyone Googles her.

Show threadzaphodMar 6
AFAIK usually not directly, but wrongful accusers sometimes get sued back for defamation.
Show threadTubularTittyFrogMar 6
I had an accuser in college who got kicked out after she accused multiple other men and it was investigated and the cops got involved.
Show threadDonjuanmeMar 6
Too many perpetrators go unpunished, unfortunately one side of the equation has a much larger multiplier than the other,
Show threadRandelungMar 6
Engagement shit like this is so dangerous. Impressionable minds in the target demographic will read the headline and be pushed towards radicalization against women because “apparently it’s worse than I thought”.
Show threadzaphodMar 6
I would see a headline like this push people more towards radicalisation against young men, not against women.
Show threadGhostedICMar 6
It isn’t making anyone less radical, thats for sure.