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40% of teenage boys believe women lie about domestic and sexual violence: new research

https://slrpnk.net/post/34929961

40% of teenage boys believe women lie about domestic and sexual violence: new research - SLRPNK

Support for violence to resist feminism was highest among adolescent boys (28%), followed closely by adolescent girls (21%). Perhaps most alarming: roughly 40% of boys aged 13 to 17 agreed that women lie about domestic and sexual violence. These results raise crucial questions going forward. We don’t yet know how these views have changed over time, whether they are on the rise and what the links are between violent extremism and the negative treatment of women.

ArbitraryValue Mar 5

I don’t think that a poll which indicates that one in five girls supports violence to resist feminism should be interpreted without any reservations, as this article seems to be doing. The number of adolescents who support endorsing violence in order to mess with uptight pollsters is apparently quite high…

As for lying - it’s a matter of fact that people, including women making accusations of serious crimes, sometimes lie. Maybe there’s more to the question than is presented in the article?

CurlyWurlies4All Mar 5

Just a reminder that this is a summary of an academic paper by a reputable university.

In our research, we differentiate between interpersonal experiences, anchored in close relationships, and intergroup conflict that has generated a sense of “us” versus “them”: men versus women. We then examine how this intergroup social conflict is driving radicalisation.

Canaconda Mar 5

I genuinely question if this is some sort of trend and not just how it has always been.

Cuz 40% of teenage boys being idiots seems kind of timeless.

Fishnoodle Mar 5

No, I just question the methodology and the message they’re trying to send

Canaconda Mar 5

I don’t follow

Our research: In our recent national survey of Australian adults and adolescents, we examined general misogynistic attitudes and support for violent extremism.

Not sure if this is what they’re referring but am also curious how this survey was conducted.

For example the question “do you believe women lie about DV/SV”. As someone who had a parent lie about related matters, I could answer yes, but is that what the question is actually asking? It seems to be asking if women, in general, lie about them. Obviously, no they don’t, but you can see how a question especially when posed to teenagers may lead to responses easily sensationalised by a news outlet. The inverse of this questions seems to be “do you believe women never lie about DV/SV?”

There’s a reason self reported surveys are a nightmares for academics to use for meaningful data. Worth pointing the rest of the article has a lot of valid and concerning material that isn’t somehow magically undone by the articles research methods.

Canaconda Mar 6

Regardless thanks for the solid explanation.

Fishnoodle Mar 8

What exactly were the questions that they were asking and how are they phrased? Were they asking if these boys believed some of the accusations were false, did they ask if they thought most of them were false? Did they ask if they thought that women in general would lie about an assault?

There’s a ton of nuance in a study like this that they don’t even go into.

It would have been really great if they linked a detailed breakdown of the information gathered in the article. Swear to god every article that says “we did a study” never show the fucking study. Like come on let me see the data.

Canaconda Mar 5

Like come on let me see the data.

It’s probably paywalled eh.

If it is I wouldn’t be able to find out because it’s not linked to in the article .

Normally Conversation articles link to the study in question, but this one hasn’t been published (yet). Not sure why the editor(s) didn’t just wait for that first. I agree that it’s lacking detail/context and feels a bit incendiary without it.

I guarantee you this study gets absolutely shredded in review.

If anyone can link it to me when it’s public I will post my own review of it. Wouldn’t be the first time I get garbage retracted.

Right from the start I will state I know the plural of anecdote isn’t evidence. But I have a friend who has given up teaching year 11/12 athletic development and now teaches grade 7 pe. Primary reason is the mysoginistic shit she had to put up with from the boys who felt their gender made them better at anything sports related than her. She would compete in triathlon in her spare time with all the training & commitment that entails, and yet the podgy, vaping 18yo man children would tell jokes with each other about how she should go back to the kitchen “where she belongs”.

When we were discussing this amongst a group that included 3 other female teachers every one of them agreed they are seeing more of that sort of crap every year. My guess would be all the Manosphere brainrot is having an affect. Couple that with kids around that age feeling the urge to be as edgy as possible…

I have noticed once or twice that my sons have started talking that way due to a combination of online and peer influence and I have stepped in to disabuse them of the notion that their chromosomes make them special or superior. But it’s the world they live in and I pity the kids without a parent who is keeping any eye on them.

Canaconda Mar 5

You’re right. I guess I was just following the same train of thought as the whole, “There were not less autistics before the internet.” logic.

I only have male friends who teach but they all agree that critical thinking and cognitive function in general have plummeted. And we’re in Canada!

Oh well maybe we should shove them in front of a screen and have them use AI until the scores improve. /s

Seriously when they do the analysis in 100 years we are going to cop so much negativity about our misguided attempts to make education a success by making it more profitable for the corporations that are forever sinking their claws deeper and deeper into our childrens future.

We know that LLMs have a negative impact on learning, mental health and the environment but we keep getting presented the Emperors wrinkled backside and then being told to marvel at it.

Anyway I tend to go on rants if I don’t reign myself in, so I’m going to stop there.

Thank you for being the kind of parent the world should have more of. Kids are dumb but curious by nature, and need a guiding hand to direct them away from misinformation, propaganda, and other toxic things they have no way to discern from truth before they have the experience to tell them apart.

Parent by choice not by accident so its incumbent on me to do my best, although I would never claim to be perfect, or even close.

SamuraiBeandog Mar 5

“Teenage boys are fucking morons”.

Groundbreaking research.

djsoren19 Mar 6

yeah let’s just conveniently ignore the part where nearly the same number of adolescent girls also think violence should be used to oppose feminism. That part is very interesting, and a reason why this research is important.

SamuraiBeandog Mar 6

Don’t take my comment too seriously, man.

Ricky Rigatoni Mar 5

The amount of women who lie about violence against them is probably a lot higher than that, and the lie is that it’s not happening to them.

maniacalmanicmania Mar 5

Had me in the first half.

ceoofanarchism Mar 5

“40% of teenage boys are violent brainwashed sexists” fixed that statement.

Misogyny is certainly a huge issue among young men.

I’m not sure about this research though. It’s always concerning when they don’t publish the actual data and questions et cetera.

Perhaps most alarming: roughly 40% of boys aged 13 to 17 agreed that women lie about domestic and sexual violence.

This one really, really depends on the question. Both men and women often lie and say that their partner doesn’t hit them. This is pretty well known actually. You’d have to be pretty naive to think it doesn’t happen.

Occasionally I’m sure that both men and women do lie and say that their partner does hit them, for a variety of complex reasons. An acquaintance of mine, a woman, signed a declaration to say that her partner hit her and then during court proceedings she admitted that was a false statement. Uh oh. Anyhow, it’s certainly a thing that happens.

Does that mean all women who claim to be victims of domestic abuse are liars? Certainly not. But are lies told about domestic violence? Of course.

Support for violence to resist feminism was highest among adolescent boys (28%), followed closely by adolescent girls (21%).

This is also curious. Obviously alarming, but how does one use violence to resist feminism? I’m genuinely confused as to what is meant by this. If you had asked 15 year old me, not really knowing what feminism is, I would have assumed it meant some kind of armed uprising of women, and yeah I would have said that in that context violence is ok.

Some respondents justified violence in the private sphere. If a woman disobeys in the home, a man should be able to control her with violence.

I notice that this fiery little truth bomb is tempered to “some respondents”. How many is some? I guess 2 at least.

Again, misogyny is a huge problem. It would be extraordinarily difficult to be a female teacher. My son is too young to have encountered this stuff but it’s definitely on my mind as we navigate the coming years. However, I think this article is intended to be incendiary rather than tease out the nuance revealed by their “research”.

CurlyWurlies4All Mar 6

This was a preview summary of the data that’s awaiting publication by the University of Melbourne. It covered 1,100 people aged 13-17, and has been written by the Professor of Educational Psychology & Learning, Faculty of Education, The University of Melbourne.

Right so that’s who did the research but it doesn’t show the results or their methodology. These are super important things to know!

reallykindasorta Mar 6

If they word it like they did in the article I think asking their research question (asked to kids) was itself reinforcing a harmful understanding of gender and the kind of characteristics that can be applied to them. Individuals lie. Entire genders do not. Basically nothing applies across the entire category. In high school (the age of a lot of these respondents) they teach you to watch out for tricky multiple choice questions that sneak in an over inclusive option.

Absolutely, I was so frustrated that I couldn’t find the data. They didn’t show their working so all I have to go on in terms of believing them is their reputation.

porcoesphino Mar 6

Wait, its a study by the news agency the conversation? Yeah… I’m pretty skeptical of the quality

At that age young men usually have no concept of violence rooted in reality at any significant numbers. So they assume young girls their ages mostly don’t experience violence while thinking violence is the thing from movies and they are ready to dole that out for things that they don’t agree with because they think they can change the world overnight at any price.

So asking this group of people is a challenge in of itself. The data and questions are missing, so I call incitement here in service of distracting from the class war and call it a day.

Maybe call the class war the Epstein wars in the future, I think it has a ring to it.

This one really, really depends on the question. Both men and women often lie and say that their partner doesn’t hit them. This is pretty well known actually. You’d have to be pretty naive to think it doesn’t happen.

I’ve never been hit by a romantic partner. You’re saying that being hit in a relationship is common?

No, im saying that amongst people who have been hit by a partner, they often lie and say that they have not.

Aah, okay. That makes more sense.

TubularTittyFrog Mar 6

i’m a man and i’ve been hit by several partners. both long term and short term.

i end the relationship when it happens, but it certainly happens.

Oh I don’t doubt that it happens, but I interpreted it as “everyone gets hit in a relationship” and that seemed shocking to me.

I’m glad you don’t put up with that. No one should be abused by their partner, physically or otherwise.

TubularTittyFrog Mar 6

domestic violence rates are pretty high man. a quick google says 1/4 womenad 1/7 men experience it.

that’s not everyone but it’s a lot more than you’d hope.

TubularTittyFrog Mar 6

it means beat the shit out of people for having different beliefs than you.

notwhoyouthink Mar 6

I agree with you, and want to add that parents need to do better about addressing this issue as well. There are a million opportunities, every day, to demonstrate heathy gender roles and start conversations about role expectations with your child.

Read the comments in this thread, read this:

“Social research has shown boys and men increasingly feel alienated, humiliated or uncertain about their place in the world.”

We just need to call young men stupid one more time guys and gender equality will be achieved. No wonder they feel their being lied to.

Catoblepas Mar 5

‘Teenage boys should get to say wildly misogynistic things with no social repercussions’ is absolutely not how you wind up with men who have normal relationships with women.

Who said that?

UnspecificGravity Mar 6

Some moron on kbin.

Link?

UnspecificGravity Mar 6

Its easy to find. Click on your username. Go to “comments,” its probably three or four down.

Nice, if it’s real easy to find you should have no problem doing it then. Good luck!

Madzielle Mar 6

today’s letter is M, for Moron

apparently

ArcaneSlime Mar 6

It’s the same guy using it every time, dude needs to learn some new words.

running_ragged Mar 6

Or…. ‘Teenage boys repeating the lies they been told by only group not shaming them for existing.’

They are victims of the circumstances, but because they are male, too many people act like its it’s okay to blame them.

UnspecificGravity Mar 6

Training boys to be douchebags is why this is happening.

Yeah they’re being courted by the far right because the far right aren’t calling them idiots. Really not that hard to grasp.

UnspecificGravity Mar 6

I see. They are douchebags because people observed they are douchebags. That makes sense, if you are a fucking moron.

NaibofTabr Mar 6

People who are treated like outcasts behave like outcasts.

UnspecificGravity Mar 6

Its not anyone else’s job to fix you.

How very American of you.

Madzielle Mar 6

I agree with the statement, but add, without a proper support system, its impossible to do the inner work for yourself. We need external support, and we have to try for ourselves.

The whole, lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink. Dont mean we shouldnt still help em get to the water.

NaibofTabr Mar 6

It is not any one individual’s responsibility to fix any other particular individual, true.

Rather, it is the community’s responsibility to care for the community. All of the community.

If you start declaring some members of the community to be undeserving of care, then you are no better than the fascists.

nodiratime Mar 6

The absolute audacity to vilify people/put them on blast constantly (bonus points for single mothers and having worse raising outcomes than single dads e.g.) and then act all high and mightly and demanding they “pull themselves up by their boostraps”.

There’s an old saying: “the child who does not receive the warmth of the village will burn it down to feel warm.”

If you didn’t think I was already a moron why would you call me one? Are you really incapable of seeing how difficult it is for me to engage constructively with your argument while you are constantly interweaving it with personal attacks? I couldn’t ask for a better example of how calling people dumb makes it hard for them to engage with their ideas. Again, no wonder young men with no experience are being entrapped by the far right.