Vissso if you want to subscribe to a vpn, and you were considering proton, maybe dont
Florian Neumann 
@Viss you can pay Proton by cash via mail to stay anonymous.
@floriann and you would go to those lengths to pay them even though they'd turn over your logs still? tsk tsk
@Viss i can't access the article so I don't know to which logs you are referring to.
In general proton has a no logs policy but I guess they might be forced logging access to specific accounts on demand.
To mitigate this they offer Tor access. I personally don't use Proton and I think if some state actor is after you probably can't stay anonymous using convenient services.
I don't trust any VPN providers because it is the best Crypto AG like business appliance I can think of.
It's easy to tell the people to avoid Proton VPN because they might track you down when authorities walk in their offices and pull the business files out of the folders - but I can't think of any VPN this is better protected in that regard.
@floriann they turned over payment and subscriber details, and the person using the email used their personal bank/credit card to pay, and that data exposed their identity.
Solo la 🌍 salva a la 🌎Mystified as to why Proton did it. That was a major business-limiting action. Really dumb. Kompromat maybe? Truckload of money? Been on the wrong side for years but let it slip this time?
Whatever the reason, it's useful to know that they're worse than the obvious ones like Google and MS--because Proton lies about their standards and practices.
@jakebrake @floriann so turns out theres this MLAT thing between the us and switzerland, and the fbi was able to get swiss authorities to pressure proton into turning over subscriber data
Nick Taylor@Viss @jakebrake @floriann I've got to say "not complying with legal instructions in your own jurisdiction" seems like an even worse business-limiting decision.
Of course. But there's "complying" and then there's "complying with lawyers and press releases and dragging feet and trying to not look like the bad guys". Tap that huge well of anti-US sentiment. Pressure the Swiss gov to reconsider the MLAT.
Maybe the FBI did one of their "NDA that forbids even mentioning the NDA" moves.
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