@bhhaskin @floriann yes - and having had to partake in some of them, those mechanics are:
- folks here try to figure out who the folks on the other side are they need to get ahold of
- one agency here tries to talk to another agency there
- they basically have to do puppydog eyes and beg
- the other agency can tell them to get fucked if they want

and that entire exchange makes it into the news articles, cuz both agencies get credit

@bhhaskin @floriann the best examples of these sorts of things are when american law enforcement goes after csam peddlers in another country. they'll usually mention that it was like, interpol or whoever they worked with, and that'll be clearly written about as such.

but this article only mentions proton, and the fbi

which, again, says they worked directly.
and if thats the case

proton turned over logs without any "legal pressure to". willingly.

@Viss @floriann hard to say without knowing the details. It could just be a poorly written article, or an article that is trying to push a narrative. (Can't actually read it behind the paywall)

A hypothetical could be that the FBI reached out to visa and asked them to have a business comply or lose access to payment services. Not saying that is what happened, but just that there could be a ton of reasons why it happened.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Proton willingly handed over, though. Just pointing out that really in this day and age that is any business.