just adrienneMar 5
So if you're using Proton thinking it's "privacy-focused", it turns out they're giving data to the Feebs now. https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester

A court record reviewed by 404 Media shows privacy-focused email provider Proton Mail handed over payment data related to a Stop Cop City email account to the Swiss government, which handed it to the FBI.

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Show threadAzuaron

@adrienne The thing about every single company is that if the feds compel the company to give them data, and the company has that data, they will absolutely hand that data over. It's not a choice they're making.

This is why Proton includes payment options such as Bitcoin and mailing them cash. Then, they don't have the data, so they have nothing to hand the feds.

https://proton.me/support/payment-options

Payment options | Proton

Find out which payment methods and currencies you can use for your paid Proton subscription. How to pay with card, PayPal, Google Pay, Bitcoin, cash, bank transfer.

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Show threadWesDymMar 6
@Azuaron Well, they do have to disclose what they know. But it might only be, "We got an envelope from Tibet filled with Algerian 50-dinar coins."
Show threadjust adrienneMar 6
@Azuaron i don't know anything about Posteo but apparently they firewall your account data away from your payment data somehow? https://furry.engineer/@ysegrim/116181161858800673
Ysegrim (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] While Posteo.de stores your payment details (they have to), they do not connect it to your account. The only information connected to your account is _that_ you paid. Meaning, while they already straight out reject a third of their requests for formal incorrectness (and file complaints), last year they never provided any user/payment data because they straight up do not store it. https://posteo.de/en/site/transparency_report

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Show threadAzuaronMar 6

@adrienne Interesting. It looks like they generate one-time codes for the account, process the payment with the code, mark the account as paid, and then delete the code.

https://posteo.de/en/site/payment

Certainly better than Proton, but if my threat model required my email to be secret from the police, I still wouldn't trust it. All it would take is a court order that says, "Next time a payment is made for this account, log it," and you'd be just as cooked. This is, after all, exactly how the French authorities got the IP address of a ProtonMail user. Proton doesn't log your IP address... unless someone makes them.

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