snorkerMar 4
What is stopping #signal from becoming interoperable with #chatmail relays (i.e #deltachat)? Is there anything that makes it infeasible or undesirable, other than being technically difficult? @signalapp
Show threadFelixMar 4

@snorker @signalapp

It's the wrong question.

The question should be "why would they want to?".

Signal solves a specific issue (private messaging), and decentralisation does not help with that at all. As far as i can tell it makes it harder.

Therefore there is no need to be compatible with a decentralised service like delta which solves a different need.

Show threadadb

@newhinton well, I agree with the "why would they want to?" but for different reasons: they are not even federated across #signal servers how would they even think about being federated with something completely different

about your argument saying that federation does not help with private messaging, I disagree, federation makes it possible for you to self-host your server for your whole family and have them away from #Amazon or other centralized service's control, signal is a no-go

@snorker

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Show threadsnorkerMar 4

@adbenitez @newhinton That makes sense, if i understand you courrectly you're saying that federation simply would be a very difficult technical issue to solve for signal?

How do you know they are not federated across their own servers? (I don't distrust you I would just like to read about it :))

Show threadadbMar 4

@snorker to be honest I don't know right now, but an easier first step would be if they allow federation with other signal servers, if they don't even allow that yet, it is trying to run before learn to walk to ask for compatibility with Delta Chat,

my guess is they are simply not interested in federation, they want full control over all the user base, which is a huge red flag for me, if it is centralized it is basically not good for digital independence and autonomy

@newhinton

Show threadFelixMar 4

@adbenitez @snorker

Yeah, but you are not talking about the same thing.

Signal is (only) about delivering a message from A to B, without C getting to know next to nothing about that.

Federation/Decentralisation is about making sure that your service cannot be controlled by a single entity.

Those two are entirely seperate issues that have next to nothing in common.

In this instance, decentralisation makes private messaging extremely hard, and would therefore downgrade signal.

Show threadsnorkerMar 4
@newhinton @adbenitez I can agree that they are separate issues in some sense, but the are both very much desireable