Being reminded of a fantasy a play partner shared with me.
Heads and bodies stuck through the equivalent of glory holes, with guillotines along the walls.
People spend a shift sucking or getting fucked, with a blade hanging over them reading to cut their heads off or slice them in half.
To me, the most important part of that fantasy in the trigger.
Her idea:
"Maybe it's different for each person? So one could let the customer choose, one could have it set for the end of their shift, maybe they are all timed differently and go off as a cascade. Who knows.
Maybe if one just wanted the fun danger of it, there could be a ledge that slides out last minute to stop the blade or something
Or two seconds before you get off?"
My reply:
"See, for me it's totally a longer thing. I'd want her going in every day, not knowing what the trigger was. Watching people get decapitated every once in a while. Knowing that there's nobody there's who's been around for more than five or so year, but some people only last a few weeks.
I'm sure you'd probably last a couple of years. You're pretty good!"
I think it's incredibly hot that this friend got off on the idea of throwing my life away like that.
And it's even better that the fantasy worked both ways.
I think we eventually settled on "I'll start taking off the safety blocks once I've found your replacement" as the hottest version of this.
Which circles around to the problems I have with a lot of snuff kink, here: https://thicc.horse/@orange/112655866494910578
1) People can pay to unlock the guillotine.
An owned toy is placed under the guillotine, with their owner setting some price to unlock it.
The owner can set and change the price. The sub may or may not have input on the price or get to know what it is.
The money goes to the owner, the sub sees an indicator light, and the person who paid has however much time to release the blade (or not).
And you know. You tweak the rules until it makes sense.
Maybe the lowest price your owner can set is $5000 and the highest is $100,000.
Ideally, you'd be able to set prices that reflect probabilities so the lowest price still has subs lasting (on average) a month, and the highest price has 90% survival rate after five years.
I think I'm okay with unowned/solo subs, but with a much higher minimum.
I also think it would be very fun to have a cheaper (but still expensive) option that just turned on the indicator light, but didn't unlock the blade.
The indicator light is to cause panic / prevent desensitization.
If somebody wants to write this, the range of consent options are...
Most extreme consent: Freely entered into TPE CNC. The sub has to agree to this being possible, but just through blanket consent is fine. The owner can (for example) trick the sub by hiding their plans or implying that the sub is special, but it can't be true noncon.
Least extreme consent: The sub can leave at any time, unless somebody has paid to unlock the guillotine.
2) Some sort of game or endurance test, where the bad result is difficult to get to.
Solo sub is working at the guillotine glory holes.
There is no visible clock or way to tell how much time has passed.
If the sub leaves before 8 hrs, they don't get paid.
If the sub leaves after 8 hrs but before 24 hrs, they get half of whatever anybody paid to use them.
At 24 hrs exactly, the blade falls (and they don't get paid).
If the sub is being used when 24 hrs hits, they get locked into place and get the red indicator light.
In that one weird, rare situation the person using the sub can choose to wait until they're finished or even choose to stop the guillotine entirely.
How messed up is it that when I started this thread, I already had a pretty good idea how how I would price people between $10,000 and $100,000?
To be fair, its just the same prices I'd use if I had the chance to sell somebody.
$100,000 means I want you to feel the risk/possibility of a bad outcome, but you're probably new and I'm trying to ease you in a little while I play with my new toy. This price is not going to last.
$40,000 - $80,000 means I want to keep you, but I also know that a meaningful risk of a bad outcome is going to improve what I'm going for in the dynamic.
$10,000 - $20,000 means that I want the bad outcome to feel likely. I probably do care about you quite a bit, but my priority is to take things to that next step and I'm very proud about that.
$5000 means your time has come. I've gotten everything I want from you and you're not selling naturally. This is a clearance sale.
Even if I love you, which I probably do, I want that part that to hurt.
@orange "Even if I love you"
of course; you probably wouldn't bother if you didn't
@wanderling @emerald I think I would want some rules around that, but I like the idea.
I wouldn't want subs going home with more and more damage over time, unless there was something else going on like pressing the escape button:
- Was somewhat finite (you can only lose so many fingers),
- Permanently discounted you if you ever came back, or
- Volunteered you to be enslaved/sold/kept in place permanently.
@orange @wanderling "you can call red, but only once; then you're banned" would be a terribly manipulative rule for any playspace, wouldn't it?
I do like the idea that, parallel to the sub's "if I do a good enough job maybe the bad thing doesn't happen", for the dominants there's also a "if I do a good enough job I get to keep this one" reward chance
@emerald @wanderling I'm fine with calling the question like that for snuff.
Either way, they're not coming back.
@orange it's definitely/probably something we should look into as a top for ourselves -- otherwise we're always pushing for more extreme things that, admittedly, are part of why we're so hot, but we're already kinda at the point where
okay we continue to enjoy cozy fluffly gentlefemdom stuff, that's unlikely to change
but for more "serious" sadism-y stuff, we're... potentially on a trajectory to "the ptsd is how you know it's real" not-entirely-joking type stuff
hmm now that I write out loud, ptsd is pretty ragged and awful & not at all a level of disrepair I would enjoy my toys being in long-term, which is heartening to realize
we're currently at "creative and fun symptoms" and tbh that's actually a pretty deep/rich space to play in?
@orange most likely true, yeah
...actually I may have done this? did an emotionally intense "rejection" hypno scene w/ someone who was good for it at the time, but they later did some plural-head-reorganization (completely cannibalizing the member I had played with, in part because it had an unhealthy fixation on me) & the new system order afterwards interpreted it as trauma, which, honestly, that feels a bit outside the realm of my responsibility.
@orange that makes sense, ig? but it takes so much uncertainty out of it for the [noun]s...
what if, when one person paid, the light for all of them came on? could even be a whole room lighting color adjustment, so everyone present knows they're going to see a real happy ending tonight.
Orange 🍊
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