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Motorola GrapheneOS devices will be bootloader unlockable/relockable

https://piefed.social/c/technology/p/1841475/motorola-grapheneos-devices-will-be-bootloader-unlockable-relockable

Mar 4 at 3:00pmWeb
Show threadPikaMar 4
is this only on their graphine devices? or are they leaving their android stock devices unlockable as well
Show threadshrek_is_loveMar 4
I haven’t seen them say anything about their older phones so I would assume this only applies to the new one
Show threadPikaMar 4

I was meaning more of their Android by default phones, like most retailers are going to only sell the android version

they specify the grapheneos devices so I’m assuming they have a dedicated grapheneos OS product line.

Show threadXLEMar 4
Exactly my thoughts/concerns. I seem to remember Motorola has a decent reputation when it comes to unlocking bootloaders, though.
Show threadBrokenMar 5
I can’t imagine that a standard android version of the same phone would not also have the relockable boot loader. But I wouldn’t necessarily expect that feature to be on every phone series though.
Show threadv4c4Mar 4
Probably a long shot, but I wish they added a headphone jack and sd card to these phones. These features would also benefit privacy.
Show threadTapirs_Are_AI_SlopMar 4

I’ve finally accepted the death of the 3.5mm jack. But no sd card is bullshit.

E/os is working for me tho. Realized I don’t even need microG to have permissions for anything other than notifications and all my stuff works. All I really miss is the ability to chromecast music.

Show threadFrankFranksonMar 4
I will never accept the death of the 3.5mm jack. I refuse to buy wireless ear buds as I know I will lose them. I need my tiny ear speakers to come with anti-misplacement cord technology.
Show threadTapirs_Are_AI_SlopMar 4
😆 I do use a dongle anyway. Even if I bluetooth it, I’ll have a DAC/Amp with a jack.
Show threadtreadfulMar 4

FWIW, I thought the same thing. But then I bought some cheap Chinese buds and never lost a single one. I’m on my third or fourth set and still haven’t come close to losing one.

Though I still won’t pay for the premium priced ones.

Show threadDudewitbowMar 4

i was the same on my end, and my current phone even has a 3.5 jack (zenfone 9). i used to have aeveral wired headphones ive lost over the years.

in like 2019, i got airpod pros for functionally free, never lost them yet. then had pro gen 2 and havent lost them yet. (again functionally free in my case)

Show threadAddv4Mar 4
I mean, I use Bluetooth headphones on my phone most of the time, but I do still require a headphone jack as a backup. I used a phone without one for a while, and decided I need one on future phones, as well as a micro SD card (I need more than a tb of storage for my music and audiobooks).
Show threadnezrockMar 4
Check out beats flex, they’re fantastic and have great battery life. Mine are almost six years old and work great still. They’re wireless but cabled together. The cables don’t tangle together like wired earbuds, either.
Show threadnjordomirMar 4

I’d love an SD card again. At home, I can just use SMB to access remote file systems on my phone. I can do it while mobile, but despite the gig connection, it’s a bit too slow for my taste. Works for files, but it won’t ever let me watch a downloaded movie on a plane or a podcast while driving across Kansas. I’d rather be able to dump 128GB on an SD card via my laptop (much faster I/O) then stick it in the phone.

I’ve gotten used to BT headphones, but I’d love to be able to plug in to a stereo again without a flakey Bluetooth dongle

Show threadTapirs_Are_AI_SlopMar 5

Well, if you’re using bluetooth to hit your stereo you can get a receiver that jacks in and sits next to it to keep the phone dongle-free. There’s real cheap ones and some higher end ones with better DACs in them (if your stereo doesn’t have a DAC). But it’s not much more difficult to set up a DLNA Media Server or get a chromecast receiver to stream to your stereo over wifi without needing to compress the audio the way bluetooth does.

I’ve also got a bluetooth DAC/Amp with a 3.5mm and 4.4mm jack that you can clip onto your clothes. Basically putting the dongle on the end of the headphone cord instead of the phone. But it runs on a charge. You can use any sort of wired headphones that you want (or connect to a stereo) and not have to be physically connected to your phone though.

Show thread𝙻𝚘𝚗𝚐𝙼𝚊𝚌𝚃𝚘𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚍𝚄𝚙Mar 4

It took me longer than many but I accepted it to.

Never going back to cable slap when exercising. True wireless buds for ever.

SD card would certainly be nice still.

But realistically I’ll likely still buy this as long as it has half decent specs and is IP67+

Show threadAddv4Mar 4
Actually, a few of the Motorola phones do have headphone jacks and sd card ports, like the moto G. Which is why I’m really, really hoping those are the models supported.
Show threadshortwavesurferMar 4
I’ve specifically heard that it’s going to be a flagship chipset at first, especially, so it definitely won’t be the Moto G line. I’ve heard it’s going to be closer to the Moto Signature, which is like 3.3 Monero.
Show threadzod000Mar 4
If they don’t release this with a phone that has a headphone jack, they are dumber than a box of rocks. Motorola hardware is flat out not great, but the fact that their G line has a headphone jack and is one of main draws and the only reason I’ve bought them for my kids. If they do release a GrapheneOS compatible phone with a headphone jack, I’ll likely end up buying a few of them for the family and it will be my go to recommendation to others.
Show threadZinkMar 5

I personally might not use a headphone jack or SD card slot very much, but for the market that a GrapheneOS phone would be targeting they seem like OBVIOUS things to include.

The crowd getting excited about this partnership is pretty much the same crowd that complains about features like those going away.

Show threadtimbuck2themoonMar 6
You’d think but shiftphone, fair phone, others all abandoned it and thus lost my business at least.
Show threadZinkMar 6
I could see them doing fine losing those features if it meant the hardware was compact, light, and cheap. But doing it on giant $1000 phones is not going to do them any favors with the lemmy crowd like I said.
Show threadVeryFrugalMar 4
I can see how big corporations would use this for security reasons. Niche but great market.
Show threadbdonvrMar 4
Well yeah. I doubt the GrapheneOS team would allow anything less.
Show threadrockerface🇺🇦Mar 4
As a current Motorola user, I might just stick with the brand when it comes the time for replacement
Show thread☂️-Mar 4
i hope keep this up until i need a new phone
Show threadAberration13Mar 4
How long have they been selling devices that use graphene?
Show threadDudewitbowMar 4
oldest phone was pixel 6, basically when google switched to tensor and added the hardware and software requirements needed for graphene team to support it.
Show threadjnod4Mar 5
What was graphene os team doing before?
Show threadchronicledmonocleMar 5
I don’t think they existed then.
Show threadXLEMar 4
This will be a first, if the plan materializes.
Show threadBladeFederationMar 4
Hell yeah
Show threaddan1101Mar 4
Finally a reason to upgrade my 5 year old Moto.
Show threadcorsicanguppyMar 4
No jack? Send it back.
Show threadNerdulousMar 4
Genuinely question. If you want something with a modern high performance processor what options do you have that also include a jack?
Show threadOmegaSunkeyMar 4

I think Sony Xperia phones.

m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1_vii_5g-13843.php

Snapdragon 8 Elite. Release May 13, 2025.

Sony Xperia 1 VII - Full phone specifications

Sony Xperia 1 VII 5G Android smartphone. Announced May 2025. Features 6.5″ display, Snapdragon 8 Elite chipset, 5000 mAh battery, 512 GB storage, 12 GB RAM, Corning Gorilla Glass Victus 2.

Show threadjnod4Mar 5
How can we convince Sony to open the platform for third party os’s cuz I’m not buying something with slacking security updates in this age
Show threadOmegaSunkeyMar 5
I think they’re pretty open? Atleast I’ve seen a few good custom roms for Sony Phones, like DivestOS (before it died). I don’t know if they stopped doing that recently.
Show threadhamsterkillMar 5
Makes little difference now since Xperia abandoned the US entirely – but the last few years they were in the US, Xperia US devices were locked down.
Show threadGrandwolf319Mar 5
I too am curious, imo the headphone jack removal was the first sighs of enshitification.
Show threadMrSmithMar 5
Do you own a pair of wireless headphones?
Show threadDeconceptualistMar 4
Good, good. Next, tell me there will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and user-replaceable battery and we’ll be golden.
Show threadErnestMar 4
their phones do tend to have that already…
Show threadAndyMFKMar 5
So interesting to me that it’s the lower end phones that have the features I want
Show threadzqpsMar 5
It’s mostly to achieve higher IP ratings, and people with expensive phones also tend to pay for things like cloud storage upgrades and expensive bluetooth earbuds.
Show threaddustycupsMar 5
There will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and users replaceable battery.
Show threadInFerNoMar 5
You bastard!
Show threadMikeMar 5
Help, I have turned to gold and cannot move or turn back.
Show threadDeconceptualistMar 6
Is your username a Black Books reference?
Show threaddustycupsMar 6

Yes

Show threadDeconceptualistMar 6
Hehe, well since you have good taste I’ll forgive you if you falsely raised my hopes.
Show threadMrSmithMar 5
I ain’t buying shit if it ain’t got a rotary dial!
Show threadkittenzrulz123Mar 6
I demand to have an outdated standard for a storage medium with a high rate of failure that’s also slow and causes immense heat, while we’re at it I also demand the charger be micro USB and it to be shipped with a pre rooted install of LineageOS maintained exclusively by one guy in his spare time
Show threadSpice HoarderMar 4
I’m suspicious as hell. What kind of backdoors did they put in?
Show threaddeade1eMar 4
Hardware ones, as everybody
Show threadrazenMar 4
One of the main thing id size of phones, pixel has a series which are comparitevely smaller but I dont know if Moto has any small phones. If only moto make a small phone too, it will be awesome
Show threadKriznickMar 4
Whelp, looks like I’m going to Motorola
Show threadarchMar 5
Omg omg. What to do. My old Pix does not fit me anymore. For last 2 month I planned to get new Pix 10 XL. And just out of the blue, this. Should I wait another year for a new Moto?! That’s tempting. Although the first gen of new moto devices might be buggy etc.
Show threadpHr34kYMar 5
Moto have been making phones for as long as there has been phones. Software issues would get fixed. I don’t think hardware issues are likely.
Show threadCorngoodMar 5

Google already refuse signing releases for GrapheneOS on the pixel.

Do you mean how you get a special boot screen implying you’re doing something sketchy?

Google signing things is not something we want. We want phones that don’t care if your OS is signed by Google, and banking apps that trust you to pick an OS.