commanderWindows 12 release date in 2026 possible, with AI features that may force CPU upgrades
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Snot FlickermanWindows 10 arguably became passable for stability about 3 years after release… but you still had to cut out the advertising bloat, spyware, and all which undermined any gains of stability because that shit was just fucking annoying.
This line of thought goes all the way back to NT, and even then IBM would have some comments.
DOS was the last one they built, and they made a really decent GUI for it before they switched to NT.
And they still haven’t even finished making PowerShell anywhere near as functional as Bash or any other Linux shell environment. First version of PowerShell came out exactly 10 years after the first version of NT.
I don’t outright hate PowerShell but it’s clearly a hacky afterthought after realizing Linux was eating their lunch in the server space via quick rollouts to thousands of computers at once through Bash scripting.
For sure, it’s a vast improvement, but there’s still so much you can’t do with it.
Mostly because unlike Bash and DOS, which are CLIs that get GUIs slapped on top, PowerShell is a CLI slapped on top of a GUI.
I disagree, you can do almost anything with powershell. There isn’t always an exact command for it, but like 95% of Windows configuration lives in the registry. If you know what to change, you can make powershell manage any setting. Which is similar to the way that Bash controls Linux, through modifying config files.
I do wish they had more/better tools for configuring the OS, but it works pretty well if you know the arcane magic of Windows.
And when it comes to being a functional script, I’d take powershell over bash any day. That’s preference, obviously, but objects instead of strings makes it way easier to move data from one process to another.
Dude, they’re still struggling with Windows 11 adoption because of the unreasonable requirements of a TPM 2.0 capable motherboard/CPU… and they are asking people to upgrade their CPUs again?
They only started seeing real growth in Windows 11 numbers as of January of this year. Windows 11 finally hit 73% last month while Windows 10 is down to 27%. Linux continues to gain marketshare, and there’s no telling if the reason that Win 11 is finally gaining marketshare is from people dumping Windows entirely for other options. Mac and Chromebook shares have been growing as well! It took Microsoft four and a half years from release to break 50% Win 11 adoption and they want to release Win 12 on year five while forcing more upgrades when half the people who got in just upgraded?
This on top of trade wars, actual wars, and an AI arms race that is making buying PC parts obscenely overpriced… and they think people will fucking go for this?
The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds. Even businesses won’t want to upgrade this soon after many only just making upgrades to meet Windows 11 requirements just recently… because businesses are also facing the same increased costs due to the above issues!
They’re already fucking this up with vibe-coding Windows 11, so if they seriously go all-in on this, Windows 12 will be a bigger disaster than fucking Windows Vista and Windows Millennium Edition combined.
…and frankly, I think they will. They’ve bet the farm on this AI shit, and they need to force it into everything to justify it’s fucking existence even though Copilot is the most dogshit out of all these dogshit generative AI systems.
Right, but that’s just it, they’re basically pulling another Vista if they release Windows 12 later this year.
It’s not clear whether Windows 12 will welcome any non-NPU processors. More likely, PCs that don’t meet its system requirements will lose some functionality.
As the article reasonably posits, it’s way more likely that they’ll just degrade the experience for people without NPUs, which in other words means decreased performance on older hardware, a la Vista on non-compliant hardware. Yes, Vista fucked up rollout by claiming that some hardware was Vista ready when it wasn’t, but basically the same could happen here regarding lack of NPUs.
The OS desktop environment has stagnated over the past 15 years.
Many businesses have transitioned from a 3-4 year rotation on desktops/laptops to every 5-6 years today. Hell my work laptop is 6 years old and I don’t forsee replacing it for another 3-4 years. For work functions there is no significant improvement to upgrading more frequently today.
So if they launched W12 next year, widespread adoption will likely not occur until 2032-2033 or at the Win11 EOL whichever comes first.
The developers today are working on a system that will not become mainstream for 8+ years. They want to launch in the next 2 years knowing it will not be adopted for years.
They ignoring the reality of today’s market and building to meet the latest fads. It’s Windows 8 all over again.
ValmondI think it is why AI (Mostly just LLMs) have gotten so much hype. It’s something different. Desktop environments aren’t going to get much better. Mobile phones have been black rectangles for a decade with very little improvement. AI is something new, and feels like an advancement, even if 99% of the proposed use-cases have failed to actually work.
This the money comment IMo
ScubusNo, because that was a shitty headline that mischaracterized an employee’s one-off statement and was then held up as gospel truth by the internet.
it was from a press conference where they said they were done with version numbers and that windows 10 would basically be supported forever. that’s not mischaracterisation
ZacryonNo, that is not what they said. Stop spreading this propaganda.
Absolutely, it was at the height of the “software as a service” phase and they were doing rolling updates for the Windows Insider program. For a hot minute they absolutely planned on it just being “Windows” from then on.
Numinous_YlemTime for Linux!
Me: Using 11 year old PC. Originally rjnning Windows 7. Now running ZorinOS.
I don’t particularly like linux, but…
looks at Windows 10…11…now 12…
Yeah, fuck that dumpster fire.
As long as you are not blasting away on random sites downloading every link you see then you are pretty safe. The old days of a hacker getting into your PC because you forgot to update your firewall are kind of gone.
ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮWrong on a ton of levels.
You can get infected by drive-by malware. It’s actually quite common. Zero interaction required on your part.
Running an outdated operating system or software like a browser makes you even more susceptible to this
You can, but that doesn’t mean you will. Unless you’re raw dogging your pc fully exposed on the internet there’s no way for malware to go to you, you have to go to it.
You can pick up malware from a website or an advert on a website. You can pick it up by a friend bringing an infected device and attaching it to your home network. You can pick it up from a phishing link or attachment. You can run an IoT device that downloads malware and propagates it to other machines on your network. You can install a dodgy app on your phone. You can run an application that has a chain of dependencies down to some obscure backdoored library (xz). You can run software that downloads automatic updates and whose update server was compromised (Notepad++) or whose signing certificate was compromised. You can be the victim of a sophisticated supply chain attack (SolarWinds was corporate but it could happen to any complex software). Those are just the first few that spring to mind. And you can pick it up because someone else in your family did any one of these things or many others.
Malware isn’t just for people who do obviously dangerous things like downloading cracks and keygens. There are many vectors for it to get in.
I’ve had a Win 7 running for 12 years as a media server, never once been hacked.
ISPs and even old school Win 7 to Win 10 OSs have the old ports blocked by default that prevent “drive-by malware”.
What you are talking about is the equivalent of a Boogeyman that only exists because people are stupid about what they open up or install or allow to control their firewalls. Your points even prove that.
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Modern day threats are not always visible like your computer flashing naughty stuff on your screen or overtaking your computer. Those exists but it’s more about surveillance and control of information.
Especially when companies like Google, Apple and Microsoft are in on it. US and Israel probably already get your files, but if you don’t update, Russia, China, and North Korea will probably will set up shop inside your PC.
Lee DunaIf you’re not ready to switch to Linux:
Windows 10 Enterprise IoT is supported until 2032, works great, contains almost no bloat, and is free to activate.
I’m banking on the world ending before then. Or I get an incurable cancer. Either way, fuck Microsoft.
I know, right! How can they expect to die from incurable cancer when we’ve got all the world’s compute devoted to curing it?
Be warned though that some installers will yell at you for not having a “compatible version of Windows”. Its rare, but some apps don’t like the enterprise editions.
D_Air1My brother used to use enterprise windows 10 until he started having that vary issue with trying to play COD.
Iv already started seeing games with older versions of BE and EAC say consumer windows 10 isn’t supported any more and not working.
Trying to stay on windows 10 and be a gamer is quickly going to become a nightmare with more compatibility issues then Linux.
At this rate we’ll need a Wine/Proton that runs on Windows to allow you to run Windows software.
kazernielI haven’t experienced this with years of Enterprise use, but back when I was on Win 7 LTSC until its very end, I did get yelled at that my Windows was too old, even if it was still under official support. But then again I suppose devs don’t expect people to try to run games on heart monitors or industrial equipment xd (or whatever else LTSC was intended for)
ORbituaryIt’s the barest of bones. I use it for one of my consulting machines in the times I’m forced to run windows.
I use W10 Enterprice IoT LTSC for everything. Mainly for gaming. No problems at all, though I play single player games only.
However, newer processors with dedicated Neural Processing Units (NPUs) reduce strain on cloud servers and GPUs. As a result, PCWorld believes that CPUs, including Intel Core Ultra and AMD Ryzen AI chips that support 40 TOPS or more, will become mandatory
in other words, your pc will be doing ai shit for someone else’s pc while you are idle