BeepYour car’s tire sensors could be used to track you
n3m37hUnfortunately, I do. And they lock you in to licensed vendors just for your seasonal tyre change.
Looks like my next car is going to be an antique.
Wonder what kind of car you have, because my last 2 cars had a procedure to train/program a new TPMS, and some cars (according to Google) will automatically learn new sensors after about 20 minutes of driving.
Brutal. I guess you can always swap the tires yourself and then stop by a tire shop and ask them to reprogram it. I feel for you.
A local city proudly mentioned on the news that they had a system that could track TPMS sensors. Pretty much all cars after 2008 uses TPMS sensors that each broadcast a unique identifier to the car. They aren’t hard to remove, and you can buy valve stems that fit your car (0.452 hole) at any auto parts store.
TrackinDaKrakenThey aren’t hard to remove, and you can buy valve stems that fit your hole at any auto parts store.
Good to know.
UlrichYeah, a couple problems with that:
As always, these are systems of convenience, and the alternative is to check your tire pressures every day before leaving home.
Older cars use a wheel speed sensor-based TPMS. It’s not as effective or reliable but it also doesn’t emit any signals that can be read by other devices.
I managed to drive cars for 30 years without a TPMS sensor and the only time I ever had a to check the pressure on a tire, was when I knew i had a leak and didn’t have time to fix it. I can also tell by the way my car drives if a tire is soft. I also had an air pump in my car powered by a cigarette lighter adapter that I could fill my tires.
My current car, from 2019 doesn’t have one. I’ve managed to own it 7 years (this week) without needing to check the pressure 2500 times.
The assertion you need to check your pressure everyday without a TPMS system is ridiculous.
The fact that you’ve gotten away with it is not proof that it’s unnecessary. The fact that it was legally mandated is good evidence that it is. These systems save lives, no question about it.
Greyscaleindeed, you said this:
The fact that it was legally mandated is good evidence that it is.
but their point was laws are not always made with good intentions and safety in mind. that’s not to say TPMS is required for secret surveillance, but that there being a law for it does not immediately mean there’s good purpose for that law.
Do you believe law and ethics are separable? Does your “these systems save lives” not speak to the very reasoning employed to codify an ethical position into the law of the land?
What a shockingly wrong take. TPMS is a convenience, not a safety measure, have properly inflated tires is. And, anyone who properly maintains their car, doesn’t need it
And, it’s not legally mandated everywhere, even if it is for you.
What an incredibly bad take. Indeed, having properly inflated tires is a safety issue. How do you know if they’re properly inflated? Are you checking them every 3 minutes while driving? Because TPMS is…
Because I was bored
GIDAS data
www.ircobi.org/wordpress/downloads/…/2_3.pdf
It concludes that even if you increased grip, which includes tire pressure variance, by 15%, it would only represent a reduction of 2% of road related fatalities, which is actually within the margin of error.
While 2% sounds like a lot, GIDAS also shows that tire failures account for less than 1% of road accidents causing death.
So you’re spending $300 to $500 on a new car for a TPMS which reduces the probability of accidental death by 0.02%.
And fun fact, most tire related accidents are actually from tread depth, not low pressure, and TPMS will do fuck all to tell you your tread depth is low.
It concludes that even if you increased grip
It’s nothing to do with grip. In fact, a lower tire pressure will actually increase grip.
tire failures account for less than 1% of road accidents causing death.
Oh well if no one died it must not be a safety issue?
So you’re spending $300 to $500 on a new car for a TPMS
Uhhh nope, it comes with the car…
And fun fact, most tire related accidents are actually from tread depth, not low pressure
So we’re just going to ignore it as a safety issue because it’s not a main cause of collisions?
I apologize. I didn’t realize you aren’t very smart, because nothing “comes with the car”. You pay for every component.
Your personal insults are only reflecting poorly on you.
They come with the car. Every car. Doesn’t matter how much they cost. They are not optional. It is not a choice your can make.
They didn’t come with my car. My car does not have a TPMS sensor. Your “every car comes with them” statement is blatantly false.
And, I am not insulting you, if anything I am sad for you. I made what I believe is an honest assessment of your intellectual capabilities based on your lack of understanding with how parts inside an automobile are priced and the nonsensical responses you have given to cogent points.
It doesn’t matter if it’s mandated for inclusion where you live, that doesn’t mean it’s free. You are paying for it. In fact, you are paying for sensors ti replaced multiple times over the life of the vehicle, another thing which most people won’t do. So, every 3 to 8 years (depending on various factors), you have to replace the TPMS sensors, pay another $300 to $500 for something which does sweet fuck all for your safety.
They didn’t come with my car.
Them you have an old car. Every new car comes with them, and has for a long time, because it’s required by law.
I am not insulting you
If you don’t think calling me stupid is an insult then I have “assessed your intellectual capabilities” and decided you’re actually a moron.
It doesn’t matter if it’s mandated for inclusion where you live, that doesn’t mean it’s free. You are paying for it.
I didn’t say it was free. I said it was included and not a choice you have to make. Someone who’s not a moron would have understood that.
So, every 3 to 8 years (depending on various factors), you have to replace the TPMS
LOL what? Who told you that!?
which does sweet fuck all for your safety.
It monitors your tire pressure. That’s important for safety, as I’ve outlined several times now.
I have a 2019, which I stated multiple times.
Not all cars come with them. Maybe it’s law where you live, but not where I live.
If you don’t think calling me stupid is an insult then I have “assessed your intellectual capabilities” and decided you’re actually a moron.
The I’m rubber and you’re glue argument. Good job. You really showed me. Do you need a pat on the head?
I didn’t say it was free. I said it was included and not a choice you have to make. Someone who’s not a moron would have understood that.
It wasn’t included in my car. It was not even offered on my car. The fact that you are 100% convinced of something that is just not true and keep arguing that it is, is what makes me think you’re not very smart.
LOL what? Who told you that!?
Fuck me. You really are dense. You know the batteries don’t last forever.
It monitors your tire pressure. That’s important for safety, as I’ve outlined several times now.
Just because you say something more than once, doesn’t make you right. You asserted something, I provided statistical evidence from GIDAS proving you wrong, and you just “nuh-uhed” and repeated the same point. It’s effect on safety is statistically insignificant.
Okay every response you gave included an insult, while providing the most moronic strawman takes possible so I’m going to conclude that you’re arguing not only in bad faith but also maliciously, and block you. Better luck next time.
The fact that it was legally mandated is good evidence that it is [necessary].
P1 If X is legally mandated then that is good evidence that X is necessary.
P2 slavery is legally mandated (in the USA through prison labour)
C1 There is good evidence slavery is necessary.
P3 [insert other silly/abhorrent thing here is legally mandated: ICE in general, state murder, HOAs…]
C2 There is good evidence silly/abhorrent thing is necessary.
I live in Canada and my snow tires haven’t had functioning TPMS in years. I do have a tire pressure light on forever, and they’re not mandated.
If my car had LIDAR I would certainly take reasonable measures to ensure it continued working, yes.
If only there was some kind of way to periodically check tire pressures.
1.) Lol, no I won’t. That light can be removed. Or if it’s a Ford, you can access the vehicle with Forscan and turn off that functionality.
2.) How did we ever survive before 2008? Were there disabled cars with shredded tires every 20 feet? Was it an apocalypse of failed tires? People who don’t bother to check tire pressure won’t bother for yet another warning light on their dash.
That light can be removed
LOL often times it cannot, because it’s not a “light” at all on modern vehicles.
How did we ever survive before 2008?
A lot of people didn’t. That’s why it was mandated.
the vehicle with Forscan
I read this as Foreskin
There’s a reason these are mandated. They’re critical safety (and efficiency) systems.
not why they were mandated.
The US and Canada at one point could hit their Paris Accord C02 ouputs just by keeping car tires properly inflated.
dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️By “aren’t hard to remove” you actually mean requires dismounting the tire from the rim, remounting it, and then balacing it. This is far beyond the capabilities not to mention equipment of the typical layperson. Plus, your state is likely to conveniently fail your car on its next inspection for a nonfunctioning TPMS system, same as your check engine light.
If you’re going to go the distance anyway, get your tire shop to mount aftermarket Autel sensors in your rims. Using the readily available diagnostic tool, you can occasionally reprogram those (wirelessly!) with a set of random IDs and then also program your car to use them. You’ll be a lot tougher to track if your signature is different every week.
I’m not about to do this just yet, but I do have the tool for more mundane purposes and I only paid around $200 for it several years ago.
State inspection of your vehicle? Wtf? I’ve heard of California with catalytic converters because the smog, that’s it. I
Ricky RigatoniI don’t understand the confusion.
How is making sure everyone’s >2 ton 100mph missile is safe to use shitholy?
If they are checking that your spyware is installed still, it gives lie to their motivation.
Both over and under inflated tyres present a significant reduction in handling and breaking abilities of cars. Having the correct pressure is fairly important when push comes to shove.
jarmitageThis spyware is a byproduct of how the wireless tpms sensors work. If someone installed a wired version it would still pass.
I feel slightly safer knowing that the cars around me most likely have a functional horn /s (but only slightly because there are more things going on in the inspection to meet the bare minimum of safety. not a high bar, but at least a bar)