Alors j'ai essayé de résumer graphiquement ma logique qui me fait préférer une app de messagerie plutôt qu'une autre.

Ça me semble simple et compréhensible par tout le monde.

En plus j'ai simplifié j'ai omis des avantages supplémentaires de Delta Chat 😉

Mon pari : les gens qui veulent garder contact avec vous vous suivront où vous irez alors quittez whatsapp et passez direct à Delta Chat 🙂

Et corrigez-moi si besoin !

#messageries #applications #signal #deltachat #nosdonnées #décentralisé

En avantage non cité : delta chat ne lie pas votre compte à votre numéro de téléphone et peut donc fonctionner tout seul sur un ordinateur par exemple. C'est le plus inclusif il me semble 👍

Après je vois passer plein de messages à propos de xmpp et autres et que ça serait mieux... Quelqu'un veut bien m'expliquer ?

Pour moi la puissance de delta chat c'est d'être basé sur le protocole mail revu en tout chiffré + adapté pour la messagerie instantanée.

https://delta.chat/fr/help

#deltachat

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@raphm Les protocoles des emails ont été développés pour une version numérique du courrier, avec envoi et reception de texte et pièces jointes.
XMPP est un protocole développé pour répondre aux besoins et attentes des utilisateurs de messageries instantanées, avec l’ajout progressif de nouvelles fonctionnalités (appels audios, vidéos, modification ou suppression de messages, stories, flux, statut to connexion, etc.).

@Thibaut yet Delta Chat is much more resilient, it has multi-homing / multi-relay and easy migration from one server/relay to another, something that doesn't exist at all today in XMPP, which is more centralized than Delta Chat, once you choose a server in XMPP your profile and groups are bound to that server, the server dies you have to start a new profile and lose all your chats, groups, contacts messages etc.

with delta chat you keep everything, your profile lives in your pockets

@raphm

@adbenitez @raphm Deltachat is a very good concepty but more limited than XMPP due to being "only" able to offer messages and attachment. It can be sufficient for some users, but too limited for others.
Regarding the risk of losing the server, it is exactly the same as for an email server, and you can save your history too (via some clients, not all).
But I really do like Deltachat in any case.

@Thibaut
> but more limited than XMPP due to being "only" able to offer messages and attachment.

not really, Delta Chat is not limited to email, in fact it could even use XMPP in the future if really necessary, right now it already have p2p support for in-chat mini-apps and webrtc for calls

> it is exactly the same as for an email server

it seems you didn't understand, with delta chat you can rotate servers while keeping your profile and groups, this is not possible with xmpp today

@raphm

@Thibaut continuation:

and by keeping all data I don't mean as some backup you could read, but actually keep using your groups and chat with people while preserving chat history, and without your chat appearing as a new contact/chat for all of your contacts, which will be the case in XMPP

chatmail clients are in a whole different level when it comes to resilience&independence, and it will get even better, using several at the same time, if one fails it doesn't matter, zero downtime

@raphm

@adbenitez @Thibaut @raphm I don't understand much but I use arcanechat, I find it little slow in sending messages. It takes around 5-10 seconds for my friend to get the text. Is this because we are on different relay or something?

@Rose I can't guess without any context, but for me it is instantaneous, it can be several reasons:

you are physically far away from the relay you are using

you are in a country that throttles the connection to the relay you are using (ex. Russia might do this to some popular relay)

the connection between your relay and the relay of the other peer is slow/far away

one of the relays is (temporarily?) overloaded

etc

@raphm @Thibaut

@adbenitez @raphm @Thibaut i'm using your relay and my friend is on testrun one.

@Rose maybe nine was temporarily slow due to overload or maintenance/backups

I just tested sending a message from arcanechat.me to nine.testrun.org, you can see that I receive the notification in the other account immediately after sending:

@raphm @Thibaut