LadyButterfly she/herIndeed
Tanis NikanaYeah, me and my wife are still married. No amount of random bystander disagreement will change that.
Partnership is a very grassroots thing. It predates modern humans, and it will persist long after. An organization that fails to recognize self-defined partnerships is self defeating. I might as well argue that my own feet don’t exist.
I disagree! You don’t exist therefore are not married!
Yeah but are you two hot? If so doesn’t count ofc.
You think there’s always been gay people? Even in ancient Greece? Sure, let’s just pretend all those hairy daddy bears weren’t wrestling each other for totally heterosexual reasons.
rockerface🇺🇦When everyone was gay… noone was
Hey conservatives, I’ve got an idea on how to get rid of all the homosexuals in modern society, now hear me out on this…
Nah those were just roommates…
or the totally not homo ancient romans grooming twinks
Long time ago, group of friends and I were eating late night food at a diner. Talking about lots of stuff and one of them turned to the topic of homosexuality as one of our friends just came out.
Only other customer in the room was a lady reading a book. When we spoke of homosexuality she simply mumbled, “I don’t believe in that.” and we said, “… What?” she says, “I don’t believe that homosexuality is a real thing.”
Gay bro pipes up and says he’s a living breathing example. They got into it for a bit and it was so long ago that I don’t remember how it went. I think she left out of frustration.
Weird times.
LumidaubEven just the notion of butting into a conversation with that, wtf. Must’ve felt it was her chance to proselytise.
People who “don’t believe in homosexuality” are usually the same type of entitled assholes to insert themselves into other people’s conversations.
Excellent point
Lol. What is it about diners? I was having breakfast with a group of friends, after a night of drinking, and we had a conversation about an April fools joke one of the people’s sister pulled. It was something about needing an abortion, I don’t remember what. This woman sitting near us with her kids says we need to stop talking because she doesn’t want her kids to hear about it. Eventually she ends up leaving, after the staff spoke with her, and we thought it was over. Turns out, she went to her car and waited for us to leave, she drove very close to us at high speed in the parking lot to yell “losers” at us. It gave us the name of our group chat for years after.
People are stupid
Now, religious people are a special breed of stupid.
They choose to believe in things they know aren’t true, and they call it faith.
And that’s how they think everyone else comes to their own conclusions about reality as well. They think we’re taking the existence of homosexuality on faith, which is why they think they’re making some kind of point when they say they don’t believe in that.
Like a demented orobouros. I’ve found that many people project themselves upon the world, in order to explain it. As I’ve grown up, I’ve wanted to say that has lessened, but it absolutely doesn’t seem to have done anything but gotten clearer. Maybe that, itself, is me projecting.
Maybe that, itself, is me projecting.
The effect is certainly more pronounced in those who lack empathy. Which conservatives often proudly do. Lacking empathy prevents you from seeing the world through other people’s point of view … which often leaves you unable to properly understand others.
GrailI believe that for a person to have unshakeable faith in objective reality, even despite all of the scientific and philosophical evidence and logic against it, speaks to an unnaturally feeble state of mind which has been cultivated in our society by the rich and powerful as a means of control. Human beings are not naturally so willfully ignorant; it must be trained from a young age.
When the people who disagree with mountains turn out to be mountains themselves it becomes downright hilarious.
lumettariaThis half assed analogy is cracking me up
Trying to watch my calories so it’s only half ones for a while.
That’s actually my personal theory on why they think it’s a choice. For them, it IS a conscious choice, because they’re gay and making an active choice to suppress it. They think everyone has gay urges, because they’re incapable of imagining a world where they aren’t their lived experience isn’t the default.
One time, my dad, fully serious, said to me that homosexuality didn’t exist in nature outside of humans.
It was like finding out that you have a below average penis.
My stomach dropped in shame when I was so starkly faced with the mental faculties of one of my biological guardians I had been raised by. Was I staring at my limit?
What about those other kids, whose parents are educated and empathetic and who will ask real probing questions and can answer them? Will my facilities slow to a crawl soon, to keep pace with my genetic fate?
Are these fears so average that I should bow my head in the river, afraid to even express them, lest I be confronted by the entire history of humanity?
Maybe biological nature isn’t everything, maybe fate isn’t real and change is truly in our hands, ready to be molded, potentially even into chaos.
“Better stupid than dead”, huh? It’s staring right back at me, blankly, waiting for me.
By writing this post I think you’ve already got your answer. You seem very eloquent and you’ve got a mind that’s not afraid to go places. Don’t worry, you’ll be just fine.
One time, my dad, fully serious, said to me that homosexuality didn’t exist in nature outside of humans.
Would just be like “Neither does fucking Bud Light dumbass!”
Except homosexuality has been clearly proven in many cases outside humans.
Good point lol
Has intentionally fermenting things been observed though? Now I’m curious, gonna have to look that up
They are absolute morons.
That being said you have to be a moron yourself to not be able to understand that it’s the ethics (yes morons, I know) of gay they reference.
Don’t be as dumb as them.
Count Regal InkwellBe gay
Find consenting partner
???
Say Gex
Make mountains gay again.
(I’m loving this post/comment section too much)
My experience being born into religious conservative white america is that phrases like “I don’t believe in” or “I don’t agree with” are just the politically correct language and/or dog whistle for “I hate that shit but I need to act polite.”
I have (RCWA) family members who, in their words, “don’t believe in Halloween”. Halloween being a holiday celebrated in many countries and one that happens every year, which is all over the media, with products in nearly every store, and even shows up on most typical calendars in this country.
I think it might have to do with their Rigorous Coupled-Wave Analysis selves.
I understand that one honestly, though using the word ‘believe’ seems inappropriate.
More like “I don’t participate in Halloween”
Halloween isn’t the example I’d personally choose (I think halloween is fun!) but a lot of holidays have become altogether too corporate, to the extent people might choose to opt out, or to celebrate in their own way, or at a different time. And I understand the sentiment.
I don’t agree with the sun. That bitch can fuck right off.
Friggin’ hot tho 🥵 🥵 🥵
𝕲𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍🔻𝕯𝖃 (he/him)lucky for you, I’ve got an army of tigers.
The “I don’t agree with” people are also the believers that homosexuality is a choice. (It’s not…every sane person knows that it’s not.)
So when they’re saying “I dont agree with” what they mean is “I don’t agree with the choice a person makes to be gay”
“If not for christian missionaries you would still be worshiping sun!”
“Sun is real, bro…”
TotallynotJessicaI’d rather worship something real and responsible for life as we know it than a fictional petty tyrant who used his underdog creds to justify being the oppressor.
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I know, I just wanted to say it in my own way
dandelionChristians (esp. fundies) really don’t work with the same concepts as everyone else
for example, homosexuality is now known to be mostly a matter of biology (of course, a repressive environment might lead people to suppress, but I’m doubtful that is relevant to the underlying question of their innate sexual orientation, which remains unchanged)
but for science-denying Christians who are taught that homosexuality is “sin”, they are mostly taught that sexuality is not anything innate or natural but entirely a matter of behavioral choices (similar to how shame about masturbation frames sexuality and sexual desire as wrong and a matter of self control and making “good choices”).
So, in that context something like “I don’t agree with homosexuality” really just means they see homosexual “acts” as wrong, and so they don’t endorse people who indulge in those behaviors; they aren’t really thinking about sexuality in the same way.
svelteciderHot take: I really don’t care if it’s a choice or biology, I’m fine with it either way.
it really does matter, though - the fact that it’s not a choice is an important fact in arguments supporting legislation banning conversion therapy, for example - if it were a choice, conversion therapy would at least be plausible for people who didn’t want to be gay, for example. If it weren’t a choice, legislation banning conversion therapy would have less justification as it would be a valid choice for some people to not be gay and to use therapy to change. Conversion therapy doesn’t work because it’s not a choice, and that makes it a dangerous and pseudo-scientific practice, which justifies banning it.
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